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pgardn 09-28-2008 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Oh gosh sakes...I was intending to distort when thats all you have done here. Again, you act as if anyone wants to discuss the holocaust. I dont. I never said that i did nor did anyone else. You read mein kampf? Great...we are all happy for you. But that is not the point that was being made.

I will do the equation again. Judaism=religion. reason people killed= because they were jewish. To say that having judaism as your religion had nothing to do with your being killed during holocaust is just dumb.

Now if you keep arguing this silly point, i will be forced to email this entire thread to the texas board of education and you will be reprimanded for insanity.

I said being Jewish at this time in Germany had everything to do with being persecuted because of who they were. To elucidate many were Merchants, business men, people who had adapted very well to the German culture and economy, at a time when things for ordinary Germans were not so good. There were also very poor Jews who got thrown into this miserable mess. It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs. And this is the opinion of most Jews.

Do you understand how the place of the Jews in this society had much more to do THAN RELIGION (ie beliefs)? It is complex.
Jeez louise... I could go on.
But the futility is overwhelming.
No wonder there are so many holocaust discussions around
the country.

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
emboldened by new support, Timmi g has continued his mission to spread idiocy throughout the galaxy.

cue star wars music

somebody,somewhere is laughing at your insanity! To tell you the truth, I'd have left the whole ball of wax to you people, but I believe in principles...and you and your peeps irritate me. So you only have YOU to blame,and Hoss, cuz he just won't shut up.

dalakhani 09-28-2008 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
somebody,somewhere is laughing at your insanity! To tell you the truth, I'd have left the whole ball of wax to you people, but I believe in principles...and you and your peeps irritate me. So you only have YOU to blame,and Hoss, cuz he just won't shut up.

How about if i bought you some crayons and a new coloring book?

dalakhani 09-28-2008 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
I said being Jewish at this time in Germany had everything to do with being persecuted because of who they were. To elucidate many were Merchants, business men, people who had adapted very well to the German culture and economy, at a time when things for ordinary Germans were not so good. There were also very poor Jews who got thrown into this miserable mess. It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs. And this is the opinion of most Jews.

Do you understand how the place of the Jews in this society had much more to do THAN RELIGION (ie beliefs)? It is complex.
Jeez louise... I could go on.
But the futility is overwhelming.
No wonder there are so many holocaust discussions around
the country.

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs

These are your words, no?

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Dude, what are you talking about? Can you read? You seem to think that age=smart. It doesn't. The same dumbfucl<s that were morons when they were young, are morons when they get old. Even the guy that is defending you here said you don't provide good sources of information. The best thing he could say about you is "at least he puts something up."

Wow, that's a ringing endorsement if I've ever heard one. So enjoy the pity party.

The mere fact(proven by you) that you don't understand the Robin Hood stuff is proof enough. Don't care how old or young you are(you are about 30 if I remember..no matter) if you don't expand beyond the soundbites of your generation, you will have lost more than an arguement. Pity not enclosed..get your own!

pgardn 09-28-2008 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs

These are your words, no?

ABSOLUTELY

dalakhani 09-28-2008 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
I said being Jewish at this time in Germany had everything to do with being persecuted because of who they were. To elucidate many were Merchants, business men, people who had adapted very well to the German culture and economy, at a time when things for ordinary Germans were not so good. There were also very poor Jews who got thrown into this miserable mess. It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs. And this is the opinion of most Jews.

Do you understand how the place of the Jews in this society had much more to do THAN RELIGION (ie beliefs)? It is complex.
Jeez louise... I could go on.
But the futility is overwhelming.
No wonder there are so many holocaust discussions around
the country.

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs

Its a simple answer Pgardn. Are these your words? They are. And if they are....

YOU LOSE.

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Again, the guy giving you your pity party admitted your sources suck. The only thing he could say positive about what you post is "at least you put up something." I mean come on. How pathetic is that?

I wasn't asking for an endorsement, he wasn't giving one. Comprehension isn't one of your stronger suits,huh?....more like pictures:rolleyes:

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Blah blah blah. You don't get it. You're too young. I'm smart. I'm 59. I'm retired. The New York Post is a liberal news organization. Press releases are facts. Blah blah blah.

That isn't what I said or implied...it's what you projected in your futlie attempt to make sense. Sad..really sad
It possible you have ADHD...you don't like to read long sentences...there's MEDS for that!

dalakhani 09-28-2008 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
ABSOLUTELY

Then you lose!!! LOL

Timmigirvan's original quote:

"the holocaust had nothing to do with religion"

Now you are saying:

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs


This is the post that i called dumb.

Now lets see you talk around this.

You lose.

Sorry

pgardn 09-28-2008 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs

Its a simple answer Pgardn. Are these your words? They are. And if they are....

YOU LOSE.

Ok then.
You tell me how the Jew's religious beliefs lead them to be persecuted. What exactly about Jewish religious beliefs pissed off Hitler? The Tora, the belief that Jesus Christ was not the messiah, what? I told you what I believe about the Jewish culture led to their demise. I will add more. They did very little to defend themselves because they had found a very good spot in German socieity. The Jews on the whole did not really believe that Hitler was hell bent on their ruin, in part because of their willingness to hold on to their social position. The Jews kept telling themselves as things got worse and worse that it would get better because they figured they had a lot to lose. They did not realize they would lose all their possessions and their lives. Jews actually have very large arguements over the unwillingness to fight back.

Religious beliefs were NOT central.
And if they were define the specific beliefs.... PLEASE!

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 04:03 PM

[quote=dalakhani]Then you lose!!! LOL

Timmigirvan's original quote:

"the holocaust had nothing to do with religion"

Now you are saying:

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs


This is the post that i called dumb.

Now lets see you talk around this.

You lose.

Sorry[/QUOTE

so 2 words are the diff between dumb and smart? Well, any credibilty you had is gone for me. But, hey, you gotta look yourself in the mirror everyday.

dalakhani 09-28-2008 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Ok then.
You tell me how the Jew's religious beliefs lead them to be persecuted. What exactly about Jewish religious beliefs pissed off Hitler? The Tora, the belief that Jesus Christ was not the messiah, what?

Why cant you just accept it? You blindly defended an indefensible point. Now you are going back to the distortion playbook.

Unless of course, very little equates to nothing in your school system. I would hope that it doesnt.

timmgirvan 09-28-2008 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
So, who posted this exactly?



You were begging for pity last night. It just carried over to today. look, I'm sorry that YOUR words have caused you some flack here, but you have no on to blame but yourself. Pgardn, in his own way was attempting to defend you. You needed it, remember. So, when I asked him if he thought you made dumb statements, he offered up that response. So, my point is, even the guy who is trying to defend you thinks you're a dumbfucl<. he just doesn't want to "pile on." Should I post a picture also?

I wasn't seeking a sympathetic response...I offered a reason(my reason)
Keep your pictures under the mattress....don't forget your meds,Hossy:zz:

dalakhani 09-28-2008 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Then you lose!!! LOL

Timmigirvan's original quote:

"the holocaust had nothing to do with religion"

Now you are saying:

It had very, very little to do with RELIGIOUS beliefs


This is the post that i called dumb.

Now lets see you talk around this.

You lose.

Sorry

Silence is the ultimate prize. A humble admission of being wrong might go a little further.

pgardn 09-28-2008 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Why cant you just accept it? You blindly defended an indefensible point. Now you are going back to the distortion playbook.

Unless of course, very little equates to nothing in your school system. I would hope that it doesnt.

Please quit skirting the question.
I have given you some of what I believe.
Again:
Please explain how JEWISH RELIGIOUS BELIEFS irked Hitler enough for him to cook up the final solution. Please answre the question. You said the Jews were persecuted because of their RELIGION. Religion as I know it is characterized by certain beliefs about the creator, how to go to heaven... etcc... Please do this.


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