Says another who doesn't know Moss.

The Pats defense got worn out last year by trying to beat everyone big every game. They still answered the bell in the playoffs.

That was by far the best defense a Moss team has had - and with Cassell playing in a ball control Moss offense - the defense this year, old and all, will make them the most likely winner of every game.

The Pats offense will go off once they need to open it up.

I still can't tell whether or not this is all an elaborate act. If it is, bravo.

I was not looking at it from a purely "mosscentric" view. I was just thinking how much fun it would have been to watch an offense where you had to 2 of the top 10 athletes in the league playing QB and WR. It would have been something to see.

I don't understand what you are getting at.



Lots of records and no titles.

My point on the Raiders was it made no sense signing him...they needed more important things than a receiver. Your comment on their off. line kind of hints at that.

Back to the Randy Pats....16-0....and the champions of the league who beat them were 10-6 with no offensive records set.




And NO Moss.

I guess their stones rolled.

WhaaaaT?

Every time I read that, I see 'Lots of records and no titties'. Anyway..

Frerotte has completed 54.2 percent of his passes during his career for 19,134 yards and a 74.3 quarterback rating. He's 37-44-1 as a starter.

Now this is what ya call yer quality stuff right here.





Hand salute to you,sir.

DOUBLEPLUS snappy release.

Cool.

Here he is in the two games he started with Moss - and the only two games I've ever seen him play in as it is.

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/...2003-04-sf-min

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/...003-05-min-atl


And off he went to the bench when Duante came back to lead the team to 7 losses in the final 11 games. Losing shoot out after shoot out with dumb mistakes and game management.

Don't play stupid with me Mortimer.

The 1998 Vikings and the 2007 Patriots were clearly the two best offensive NFL teams I've ever seen in my lifetime.

In case anyone forgets - The 15-1 '98 Vikings were 13 point favorites in the NFC Championship game over the 14-2 Falcons.

In the greatest choke in the history of man kind - their field goal kicker, who had made 122 straight kicks, had a chance to ice the game and put them up by 10 with 2 minutes to go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8zx39b2Ny0


Painful as it is to watch - football is a team game. The Vikings defense gave up 500 yards on defense and their field goal kicker who had made 122 straight kicks missed a chip shot.

Randy Moss was not asked to play defense - and Randy Moss was not asked to kick field goals. That Viking team was something like a 3-to-10 favorite to win the Super Bowl at the start of the playoffs.

The 2nd biggest choke was what happened to the Patriots in last years Super Bowl. They had won previous Super Bowls because of a mix of Payton Manning chokes and cheating.

In order for Moss to have not won a Super Bowl so far - he needed two acts of God - a swiss cheese defense that couldn't stop anyone every year he was in Minny - and an offensive line in Oakland that I dare say was the worst collective group in the history of orginazed pro sports.

The defense in New England is there this year. The kicking game is there. Forget about Tom Brady - you can plug in a 7/11 worker to play qb - this is the year!

In a 52 man sport with offensive, defensive, and special team units - it would be idiotic to judge a player by rings won.

Moss is the greatest natural athlete I've ever seen. He's a natural athlete with a real human build in an era where guys like T.O. look like Robo Cop with these builds that defy nature.

Plus, he's twice been to jail before he ever played a snap of college football and he's from W Va - which is a combination that almost qualifys him for sainthood in my eyes.

Direct TV has this package called NFL Sunday Ticket.

It allows you to watch whatever games you wish to watch. They have had it atleast since '98.

Here is what is required for me to watch an NFL game with my undivied attention.

* Moss is playing

* The Ravens defense is playing and a Moss offense isn't playing at the same time on another channel.

* Neither Moss nor the Ravens defense is playing - but the outcome of the game will impact a playoff spot for Moss or the Ravens.

* It's a Super Bowl or confrence championship game I find hard not to watch. Such as the NE VS Indy games.


Other than that - nothing.

Glad to know my Mom is okay in your book:tro:

ring ring ring ring ring ring ring



Culpepper phone!

The Browns announce Phil Dawson as their new starting qb so as to improve the fake touchdown ploy.

I'm sure Moss, being the consumate team player, is loving catching 4 balls for 25 yards while his team gets their collective asses handed to them at home by a team that won one game last year.