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boldruler 07-29-2006 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Tag has to be more itelligent than to face him against elders before the BC Turf.

Like you said Bill, I guess people don't realize the HUGE difference between the 3YO year and after. As good as EC was last year, he is 10 times better than that as a 4YO this year.

Showing Up is going to the Turf Classic. I love how when English Channel went as a 3yr old and lost by a nose it was ok and Pletcher was a genius, but if Tagg does it, he isn't intelligent. You are calling me immature. Wake up.

Showing Up is better than EC was as a three year old. The one morning the two were out at Belmont together, Showing Up made him look like a little boy. That was the day Tagg realized SU can compete on the turf with anyone.

boldruler 07-29-2006 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dr.fager
It amazes me how people are so quick to back a 3 year old against older, mind you the best the world has to offer, the first time.

Pletcher also doesn't talk about Eclipse awards, he wins them, and he's very high on EC, said he's the 2nd best yearling him and his father ever purchased.

If this happens, the more experienced horse will get my money, but I say there is less than a 5% chance we even see this matchup this year.

The only way we don't see this matchup is if EC doesn't run in the Turf Classic or BC Turf. Highly unlikely.

Both three year olds, Showing Up and Go Between will be just as good as the older horses in the fall. Showing Up already is and Go Between is getting much better quickly.

Danzig 07-29-2006 09:57 AM

it takes an extra special three year old to beat older. and we have two of those?? i doubt it.

i don't believe showing up can beat english channel, and i don't believe he won't touch dirt again.

GPK 07-29-2006 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by boldruler
Showing Up is going to the Turf Classic. I love how when English Channel went as a 3yr old and lost by a nose it was ok and Pletcher was a genius, but if Tagg does it, he isn't intelligent. You are calling me immature. Wake up.

Showing Up is better than EC was as a three year old. The one morning the two were out at Belmont together, Showing Up made him look like a little boy.

I apologize (real men know that word). I was wrong, I thought the Turf Classic was for 3YO's only. I stand corrected.

I call you immature because you talk of horses wearing "skirts". You come across as though you are still in 8th grade. I guess daddy's money has kept your sheltered from the real world for a long time, hence the reasoning behind why you have no idea how grown ups speak and have intelligent discussions.

Pletcher NEVER works EC fast. The great majority of workouts that you see for EC are 4F in :50+

Im done having a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Good day to you and best of luck to SU the remainder of the year.

boldruler 07-29-2006 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
it takes an extra special three year old to beat older. and we have two of those?? i doubt it.

i don't believe showing up can beat english channel, and i don't believe he won't touch dirt again.

No more dirt for him. 100% guaranteed. He is just significantly better on the turf. Significantly better. Trust me, they haven't shut up about this horse for weeks now. I get it 24-7 from the guy living with me this summer. They are already talking about the trip over for next years Arc.

Betsy 07-29-2006 01:56 PM

Now with a sloppy track, I can see not betting on Bernardini or, at least, confidently betting against him. I'm not happy about this - obviously, I still think he's tons the best, but the track is now an equalizer. Bernardini may hate it or another horse may thrive on it. How depressing. I didn't think I'd have to cross my fingers for the Jim Dandy, but now I will.

Scav 07-29-2006 02:43 PM

He is actually less of a toss out in my opinion on the slop. He is bred up and down to love the off going

Pedigree Ann 07-29-2006 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Overrated??? How do you figure? She has been awesome in the US so far, and has been flattered twice now, by Magnificent Song today, and May Night a few weeks ago in the Virginia Oaks. If the odds aren't there I can see not betting her, but I think that Biancone knows A LOT more than we do, and he isn't running her there for kicks. She's the goods.

She is a 3yo running against her elders. Some of the 3yos she beat have won back against other 3yos, but we have no idea how this group of sophomores stacks up against the 4 and up crowd yet. A good parallel would be if Bernardini went up against his elders in the Whitney; he's looked pretty good this year in his division, but is a big unknown versus the older generations.

Scav 07-29-2006 04:16 PM

Hopefully I am right about Bernandini also

Scav 07-29-2006 04:52 PM

nope....Monsterous performance by Bern...Javy looked like he was riding Ghostzapper

boldruler 07-29-2006 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
nope....Monsterous performance by Bern...Javy looked like he was riding Ghostzapper

I think this one might be better than GZ. He just looks like he isn't even trying.

Scav 07-29-2006 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler
I think this one might be better than GZ. He just looks like he isn't even trying.

Easy Bold....please....

boldruler 07-29-2006 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Easy Bold....please....

I dislike any of these Arab owned horses but this one is perfectly bred, runs effortlessly, and no knock on GZ, but Bernardini is doing this at age 3. Right now I think Bernardini is more talented than GZ. AP Indy/Cara Rafaela. Come on, this might be the best horse in decades.

Danzig 07-29-2006 05:28 PM

in decades??? good lord. the horse won the jim dandy against three year olds. he's no ap indy, YET. maybe he will be. certainly fun to watch and see....

Scav 07-29-2006 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler
I dislike any of these Arab owned horses but this one is perfectly bred, runs effortlessly, and no knock on GZ, but Bernardini is doing this at age 3. Right now I think Bernardini is more talented than GZ. AP Indy/Cara Rafaela. Come on, this might be the best horse in decades.

Ghostzapper ran so fast that even Frankel couldn't keep him together. He ran so hard and SO quick that every race knocked him out. Bern vs Zapp 100% healthy and Zapp would smoke this horse by an easy 4 lengths

boldruler 07-29-2006 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Ghostzapper ran so fast that even Frankel couldn't keep him together. He ran so hard and SO quick that every race knocked him out. Bern vs Zapp 100% healthy and Zapp would smoke this horse by an easy 4 lengths

There isn't a horse since Secretariat that can beat that horse by 4. Like I said, I don't like the owners, but they got the prize people have been looking for for years. He is the best horse in 40+ years. No doubt in my mind.

Danzig 07-29-2006 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Ghostzapper ran so fast that even Frankel couldn't keep him together. He ran so hard and SO quick that every race knocked him out. Bern vs Zapp 100% healthy and Zapp would smoke this horse by an easy 4 lengths

he couldn't keep him together because he's unsound as the day is long. he just happened to be fast as well.

ArlJim78 07-29-2006 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler
There isn't a horse since Secretariat that can beat that horse by 4. Like I said, I don't like the owners, but they got the prize people have been looking for for years. He is the best horse in 40+ years. No doubt in my mind.

WTF are you smoking? Look we're all amazed at this guy but he's beaten SweetnorthernSaint and Ministers Bid now. Let's see what happens before we start putting up the statues.

sumitas 07-29-2006 08:19 PM

And SNS was running on 2 weeks rest. and Barbaro could not continue in the race. he still has a lot to prove.

ateamstupid 07-30-2006 02:21 AM

Unreal.

Both the performance and the fact that people still have doubts about this horse..


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