Derby Trail Forums
Page 45 of 53 « First < 354344 45 4647 > Last »
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Derby Trail Forums (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/index.php)
-   Sports Bar & Grill (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=7)
-   -   NBA Playoffs (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29084)

ateamstupid 06-06-2011 06:41 PM
Let's stop acting like LeBron is dishing out a million assists in these fourth quarters please. He has a Chalmers-esque five assists in three fourth quarters. Two more than Wade. He's been nonexistant on the offensive end.

King Glorious 06-06-2011 07:28 PM
I think I get it. Passing, rebounding, and defense are not part of the game anymore. You're only good if you are scoring. Unless you're scoring too much in his case, in which he's back to being a selfish ballhog. I think we need to re-evaluate Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Jason Kidd, and Steve Nash. I didn't realize they were no good. Also, if Wade ends up as the playoff mvp and that proves James isn't the best, I guess the same is true for Tim Duncan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Isiah Thomas. You know, each of them won a championship but wasn't named playoff mvp. Imagine that.

Big deal that his nickname is King James. How is that different than Shaq or Dwight Howard being called Superman? Or Paul Pierce being The Truth? Allen Iverson being The Answer?

King Glorious 06-06-2011 07:38 PM
Wade has said it himself. He has said it's really simple, LeBron is their closer. He said that doesn't mean always taking the shot but that they put the ball in his hands and he makes the decisions. That's what a great player does. He recognizes where the best way to take advantage of the defense is and does just that. LeBron's best play waa the pass to Bosh. Star play.

horseofcourse 06-06-2011 08:00 PM
I can't believe I'm reduced to defending LEBron, but call me crazy once again, but I pretty distinctly remember the great Michael Jordan passing to wide open Steve Kerr and John Paxson for game winning shots in the NBA finals??

Based on what I am reading I am to conclude the guy couldn't close. HE had to rely on Kerr and Paxson like James had to rely on Bosh for the game winner last night. I'm a die hard Cleveland guy, and think him ridiculous, but the guy's got serious, serious game. I guess those 4th quarters going man on Derick Rose wasn't closing either.

Dahoss 06-06-2011 09:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 782147)
dishing assists is NOT deferring to your teammates... it's creating plays. and if you do have a teammate who is as good as Wade, and said teammate is playing hot, why the heck would you not want the ball in his hands? The object is to win the game, not get a stamp of approval from the media and dahoss and ateam.


and what about the games that James has taken over in "crunchtime" and won throughout this years playoffs? You guys are cherry-picking your arguement off three games in the Finals, and even one where LeBron created the game winning play. Are you really not supposed to dish it to Bosh when he has a wide open look? it's a basketball TEAM for a reason. you're trying to say that a mans ego is more important than winning a game. Plus, you can "close out games" defensively, not just on offense.

I dont care about the whole "he's the single best player in the world". It's impossible to know and completely subjective. He might be the most talented basketball player in the world. But guys like Wade, Durant, Paul, Dirk, (Kobe before this year) etc are all amazing players, any day you could say either one of them is the best player in the world. Shoot, when Dwight Howard is on his game, he's basically unstoppable.


and it was completely tongue in cheek. I follow football, golf, and baseball very closely.. basketball not as closely but I played the damn sport for over 10 years and have played in hundreds of basketball games. If you dont think I know the difference between a closer in baseball and what you guys are refering to, I cant help you.
Creating plays? He passed to a wide open guy. The player that made the Bosh shot happen was Haslem who screened 2 people. Did you watch the game? He didn't create anything at the end of the game.

You might not be interested in the best in the world stuff, but that was what Ateam and I were talking about. No one is denying he's really, really good. I'm just saying in crunch time I want Wade taking the shot, not Lebron. So, IMO Lebron isn't the best in the world.

Who cares how many basketball games you've played or what sports you follow? What does that have to do with anything?

Dahoss 06-06-2011 09:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 782185)
I think I get it. Passing, rebounding, and defense are not part of the game anymore. You're only good if you are scoring. Unless you're scoring too much in his case, in which he's back to being a selfish ballhog. I think we need to re-evaluate Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Jason Kidd, and Steve Nash. I didn't realize they were no good. Also, if Wade ends up as the playoff mvp and that proves James isn't the best, I guess the same is true for Tim Duncan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Isiah Thomas. You know, each of them won a championship but wasn't named playoff mvp. Imagine that.

Big deal that his nickname is King James. How is that different than Shaq or Dwight Howard being called Superman? Or Paul Pierce being The Truth? Allen Iverson being The Answer?
I think I get it. You have a man crush.

ateamstupid 06-06-2011 10:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 782185)
I think I get it. Passing, rebounding, and defense are not part of the game anymore. You're only good if you are scoring.
Nope. Doing nothing isn't part of the game. LeBron has been a non-factor in the fourth quarters of this series. Why is this so hard for people to deal with? Dirk is carrying his goddamn team on injured hands and LeBron, the best player in the world, is letting his teammate do all the work. Cut the bullshit. LeBron is great, but he's not even the best player on his team and he joined this team specifically so he could disappear in the clutch and still win a title.

clyde 06-06-2011 10:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 782240)
Nope. Doing nothing isn't part of the game. LeBron has been a non-factor in the fourth quarters of this series. Why is this so hard for people to deal with? Dirk is carrying his goddamn team on injured hands and LeBron, the best player in the world, is letting his teammate do all the work. Cut the bullshit. LeBron is great, but he's not even the best player on his team and he joined this team specifically so he could disappear in the clutch and still win a title.
A formidable thought.



He may soon come onto a strange boo boo.

ateamstupid 06-06-2011 11:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by clyde (Post 782243)
A formidable thought.



He may soon come onto a strange boo boo.
I tried so hahd to impress you :p

LeElbow is near

clyde 06-06-2011 11:08 PM
!!





OOOOOOOOOOO

Antitrust32 06-07-2011 07:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 782185)
I think I get it. Passing, rebounding, and defense are not part of the game anymore. You're only good if you are scoring. Unless you're scoring too much in his case, in which he's back to being a selfish ballhog. I think we need to re-evaluate Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Jason Kidd, and Steve Nash. I didn't realize they were no good. Also, if Wade ends up as the playoff mvp and that proves James isn't the best, I guess the same is true for Tim Duncan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Isiah Thomas. You know, each of them won a championship but wasn't named playoff mvp. Imagine that.

Big deal that his nickname is King James. How is that different than Shaq or Dwight Howard being called Superman? Or Paul Pierce being The Truth? Allen Iverson being The Answer?
:tro:

hossy and ateam are just lebron haters

Antitrust32 06-07-2011 07:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 782194)
I can't believe I'm reduced to defending LEBron, but call me crazy once again, but I pretty distinctly remember the great Michael Jordan passing to wide open Steve Kerr and John Paxson for game winning shots in the NBA finals??

Based on what I am reading I am to conclude the guy couldn't close. HE had to rely on Kerr and Paxson like James had to rely on Bosh for the game winner last night. I'm a die hard Cleveland guy, and think him ridiculous, but the guy's got serious, serious game. I guess those 4th quarters going man on Derick Rose wasn't closing either.
exactly. I have no idea how people can come to the conclusion that James is not a closer. Its only because they hate the player.

He closed out the Celtics and the Bulls this year. Everyone forgets when he scored the final 25 points for Cleveland in 2007 against Detroit, how could a guy possibly do that and not be a closer? I remember when he hit the long three pointer with seconds on the clock to win another playoff game for Cleveland. Of course, sometimes he might pass it to the open player, or god forbit he actually misses a shot, but the notion that he's not a closer is insane. I do not agree with Hossy's opinion at all. Its just cherry picking because he doesnt like the guy.

Antitrust32 06-07-2011 07:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 782223)
Who cares how many basketball games you've played or what sports you follow? What does that have to do with anything?
that had to do with you saying i was lying about the baseball closer comment being tongue in cheek. I easily know the difference.

Antitrust32 06-07-2011 07:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 782240)
Nope. Doing nothing isn't part of the game. LeBron has been a non-factor in the fourth quarters of this series. Why is this so hard for people to deal with? Dirk is carrying his goddamn team on injured hands and LeBron, the best player in the world, is letting his teammate do all the work. Cut the bullshit. LeBron is great, but he's not even the best player on his team and he joined this team specifically so he could disappear in the clutch and still win a title.

LOL Lebron has been the MVP of the whole playoffs so far along with Dirk.

why do you hate him so much? cause he went to Miami?

Antitrust32 06-07-2011 08:20 AM
2010-2011 James has been the 4th most clutch player in the nba. averaging 45.1 points per 48 mintues of clutch time. ahead of him are only kobe, rose and williams from cleveland. nowitzki ranks 8th, durant 6th, wade 24th.

2009-2010 James was the most clutch player in the nba, averaging an insane 66.1 points per 48 minutes of cluch time. Kobe was 2nd with 51.2 points, dirk 3rd with 47.2 points.. James averages almost 20 points more per 48 minutes of clutch time. Wade ranked 22nd.

in 2008-2009, James was the 2nd most clutch player in the NBA, behind Kobe Bryant. Kobe averaged 56.7 points, amd james averaged 55.9 points. Wade was 4th with 49.2 points

2007-2008, James again was the most clutch basketball player in the NBA, averaging 56 points per 48 minutes of clutch time. kobe 2nd at 51.8 points, dirk 3rd with 46 points.

Since 2007, LeBron and Kobe have been the two most clutch players in the NBA. The facts are in this post.

Clutch is defined as 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left and neither team ahead by more than 5 points.

http://82games.com/


that pretty much ends the debate. good luck debating those facts. or you can continue to cherry pick 3 games.

Dahoss 06-07-2011 09:22 AM
I think I get it, Lebron is Zenyatta. If you don't think he's the best, you're a hater. Avoid what the people are really saying and invent your own discussions. Don't actually read what people are saying (no one said he can't close or has never been a closer, just that he isn't the closer on THIS team), just read what you want to and call people haters.

Don't dispute what people are saying, just move the goalposts to an arguement that suits your agenda and then talk about how many basketball games you've watched. Then list "facts" that have nothing to do with the discussion.

How is Lebron's dancing?

Dahoss 06-07-2011 09:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 782264)
Of course, sometimes he might pass it to the open player, or god forbit he actually misses a shot, but the notion that he's not a closer is insane. I do not agree with Hossy's opinion at all. Its just cherry picking because he doesnt like the guy.
You're becoming the CSC of the sports room. I never said he wasn't a closer. He just defers to the real closer (Wade) now in the finals because Wade is the closer. I don't care what politically correct nonsense Wade says during a press conference.

When they need it, it's Wade taking it. When they went away from Wade in game 2, they collapsed. Coincidence?

Cherry picking is what you are doing. You're not addressing what I am actually saying because you can't.

Antitrust32 06-07-2011 09:39 AM
LOL you're crazy. someone calls out your poor and biased opinion, and now I'm a Zenyatta fan? thats a heck of an arguement. you should feel proud of your debating. I'm not even a Miami Heat fan, but I dont hate LeBron like you an others do. I just see it for what it is. and check out the 2010-2011 stats I posted, Lebron is the closer for the Heat.

Antitrust32 06-07-2011 09:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 782284)
You're becoming the CSC of the sports room. I never said he wasn't a closer. He just defers to the real closer (Wade) now in the finals because Wade is the closer. I don't care what politically correct nonsense Wade says during a press conference.

When they need it, it's Wade taking it. When they went away from Wade in game 2, they collapsed. Coincidence?

Cherry picking is what you are doing. You're not addressing what I am actually saying because you can't.
I've pointed out why you are wrong over and over. If you can't read.. then just keep calling me a Zenyatta fan because thats the only argument you can come up with. The Heat are up 2-1 in the series, and all you guys come out with is Lebron is not clutch. its pretty ridiculous. You even caused MainCourse to have to defend Lebron!

Antitrust32 06-07-2011 09:44 AM
you have a bad opinion when you dont think strong defense and assists is closing out games.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:08 PM.
Page 45 of 53 « First < 354344 45 4647 > Last »
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.