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Cannon Shell 06-06-2011 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MISTERGEE (Post 782093)
robert horrey has 7 championship rings, so what does that make him?

Makes his agent a genius

Coach Pants 06-06-2011 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MISTERGEE (Post 782093)
robert horrey has 7 championship rings, so what does that make him?

I don't know who he is. If you're talking about Robert Horry then he's a role player.

You, on the other hand, are a f.ucking idiot.

ateamstupid 06-06-2011 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 782095)
You are the Mike Watchmaker of Basketball player rankings

I didn't think conservatives were such easy graders.

Dahoss 06-06-2011 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 782095)
You are the Mike Watchmaker of Basketball player rankings

This is below the belt. No one deserves to be compared to Watch.

MISTERGEE 06-06-2011 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 782099)
I don't know who he is. If you're talking about Robert Horry then he's a role player.

You, on the other hand, are a f.ucking idiot.

way to make a point dumbass, spelling counts?

Cannon Shell 06-06-2011 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 782107)
This is below the belt. No one deserves to be compared to Watch.

That is probably true. Plus his hair is not in the same league

Cannon Shell 06-06-2011 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 782100)
I didn't think conservatives were such easy graders.

We like the rich guys remember?

Dahoss 06-06-2011 03:46 PM

The reason people are talking about Lebrick not scoring is because people are calling him the best in the world. With lofty praise like that, he is going to be under the microscope.

The passing is great and he's been lights out in the playoffs so far. However, Wade is the closer on this team and it's apparent in the Finals. The best player in the world should be the closer on his own team. How can you be the best player in the world when you aren't even the best player on your own team?

clyde 06-06-2011 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 782114)
The reason people are talking about Lebrick not scoring is because people are calling him the best in the world. With lofty praise like that, he is going to be under the microscope.

The passing is great and he's been lights out in the playoffs so far. However, Wade is the closer on this team and it's apparent in the Finals. The best player in the world should be the closer on his own team. How can you be the best player in the world when you aren't even the best player on your own team?


Exquisite work.

clyde 06-06-2011 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 782111)
That is probably true. Plus his hair is not in the same league


I was afraid to give it ten pies, but it was that good.

Antitrust32 06-06-2011 04:17 PM

so Brad Lidge is better than Roy Halladay and Cole Hamels?

if someone is providing shut down defense and dishing assists, they are still closing the game. Besides, Wade, along with James, is one of the best players in the world also. They are both top 5 easy and either can make a case for "best player in the world".

Dahoss 06-06-2011 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 782129)
so Brad Lidge is better than Roy Halladay and Cole Hamels?

One of the worst comparisons evah.

Antitrust32 06-06-2011 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 782132)
One of the worst comparisons evah.

it was tongue in cheek. but the rest of my post wasnt. people look at scoring points as the only stat in basketball. pretty ridiculous. anyone who's played the game knows that defense is the #1 way to win games, and assists contribute highly to point totals. you can definately "close out a game" by providing shut down defense. LeBron is one of the best defenders, and passers in the game.

here is a real baseball comparison. Just looking at a basketball players points column is like focusing just on a baseball players home run total.

Dahoss 06-06-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 782133)
it was tongue in cheek. but the rest of my post wasnt. people look at scoring points as the only stat in basketball. pretty ridiculous. anyone who's played the game knows that defense is the #1 way to win games, and assists contribute highly to point totals.

here is a real baseball comparison. Just looking at a basketball players points column is like focusing just on a baseball players home run total.

Sure it was. Your next comparison was just as bad. No one is looking just at points. I'm not sure why you say that.

What you're either missing or purposely ignoring is no one denies he's ONE of the best players in the league. He obviously is. It's the title of Best in the World people dispute. When you defer to your teammates during crunchtime to make the plays to win, I don't see how you can be considered best in the world.

Jordan didn't and Kobe doesn't. Lebron does.

ateamstupid 06-06-2011 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 782133)
here is a real baseball comparison. Just looking at a basketball players points column is like focusing just on a baseball players home run total.

I wasn't aware wins and losses in baseball are decided by home run total. Obviously he's doing other things, but come on, the best player in the world has more to show for his Finals fourth quarters than a few assists and solid defense (and it's not like he's guarding Dirk).

NTamm1215 06-06-2011 04:54 PM

The Mavs sure are doing a lot of talking. About the Heat:

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...ory?id=6632267

About each other:

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...ory?id=6632035

Antitrust32 06-06-2011 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 782139)
Sure it was. Your next comparison was just as bad. No one is looking just at points. I'm not sure why you say that.

What you're either missing or purposely ignoring is no one denies he's ONE of the best players in the league. He obviously is. It's the title of Best in the World people dispute. When you defer to your teammates during crunchtime to make the plays to win, I don't see how you can be considered best in the world.

Jordan didn't and Kobe doesn't. Lebron does.

dishing assists is NOT deferring to your teammates... it's creating plays. and if you do have a teammate who is as good as Wade, and said teammate is playing hot, why the heck would you not want the ball in his hands? The object is to win the game, not get a stamp of approval from the media and dahoss and ateam.


and what about the games that James has taken over in "crunchtime" and won throughout this years playoffs? You guys are cherry-picking your arguement off three games in the Finals, and even one where LeBron created the game winning play. Are you really not supposed to dish it to Bosh when he has a wide open look? it's a basketball TEAM for a reason. you're trying to say that a mans ego is more important than winning a game. Plus, you can "close out games" defensively, not just on offense.

I dont care about the whole "he's the single best player in the world". It's impossible to know and completely subjective. He might be the most talented basketball player in the world. But guys like Wade, Durant, Paul, Dirk, (Kobe before this year) etc are all amazing players, any day you could say either one of them is the best player in the world. Shoot, when Dwight Howard is on his game, he's basically unstoppable.


and it was completely tongue in cheek. I follow football, golf, and baseball very closely.. basketball not as closely but I played the damn sport for over 10 years and have played in hundreds of basketball games. If you dont think I know the difference between a closer in baseball and what you guys are refering to, I cant help you.

Antitrust32 06-06-2011 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 782143)
I wasn't aware wins and losses in baseball are decided by home run total. Obviously he's doing other things, but come on, the best player in the world has more to show for his Finals fourth quarters than a few assists and solid defense (and it's not like he's guarding Dirk).

basketball is not decided by the amount of points one person scores (just like baseball isnt decided by the # of home runs you hit). if that was the case, the Knicks would be the champs.

Antitrust32 06-06-2011 05:06 PM

from the article NTamm posted above:

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Terry, the Dallas Mavericks' charismatic sixth man who likes to bust out his arms like airplane wings after he makes 3-pointers and prides himself on cold-blooded shooting in the clutch, has found little breathing room with Miami Heat forward LeBron James shutting him out of the late-game offense.

"They keep sticking him [James] on Jet in the fourth quarters and he's been doing a good job," Nowitzki said. "Jet hasn't really been a crunch-time, clutch player for us the way we need him to."


Nowitzki scored 34 points in the 88-86 Game 3 loss and he scored the Mavs' final 12 points of the game. Terry, the team's second-leading scorer, was 0-of-4 from the floor in the fourth quarter of the disappointing home loss that put the Mavs in a 2-1 hole with Game 4 on Tuesday night at the American Airlines Center

dalakhani 06-06-2011 06:22 PM

I appreciate that the game is so natural and instinctive for Lebron that he makes the RIGHT play in passing to a wide open player (that happens to make over 15 million) in that situation. I don't think he did it because he was shrinking up or he was scared.

Wade had the hot hand from the beginning last night and they kept feeding him the ball. I think its refreshing that Lebron doesn't feel like he needs to "get his" to please a bunch of people that will criticize him no matter what he does.

I'm no Lebron fan. As a matter of fact, it makes me completely ILL to watch him and Wade whine and cry over every violation or missed call. It is a horrible example and terrible for game. I am cheering like I rarely do for Dirk and the mavs to come through like I cheered for the Bulls and the celts before them. At the same time, one can't take away from his obvious ability. He is a prototype and the NBA has not seen a player like him. Thats not saying he is the best ever, but it is saying that he can do more things better than any player I have ever seen with Magic or Mike being the only other ones in that particular conversation.

Maybe he isn't the "closer" and I respect that and recognize that he hasn't been known as one that shines in the last minutes (although I think statisically that is debatable). Does he have to be to be considered amongst the best? Was Wilt chamberlain known as a "clutch" player? How about Bill Russell? Shaq? Malone? What were MJ's numbers with the game on the line?

I realize that MJ is known as the ultimate clutch player but I remember him bricking a few jumpers with a game on the line. The rest? I honestly don't know. I think often times a player gets tagged one way or the other and it follows him around. I think that is the case with Lebron and every time he lives up to the tag, its blown up and every time he actually delivers, its minimized.

One can't argue that he brings a lot of this on himself. His people should be ashamed of themselves for how poorly he handles the soundbite.

*added* If Lebron isn't currently the best player in the world, then who is?


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