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eurobounce 12-20-2006 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I actually bet him in the Hollywood Derby. That was a race that the jockey, Bailey, had a LOT to do with winning. I guess you could say the same for the Manhattan.

Funny that Heavenly Prize, and Storm Cat, would win Grade 1s on the turf.
I had him in both races as well. Lost a small fortune on him in the Fayette Stakes.

eurobounce 12-20-2006 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I actually bet him in the Hollywood Derby. That was a race that the jockey, Bailey, had a LOT to do with winning. I guess you could say the same for the Manhattan.

Funny that Heavenly Prize, and Storm Cat, would win Grade 1s on the turf.
Did Heavenly Prize or Storm Cat ever race on grass?

blackthroatedwind 12-20-2006 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Did Heavenly Prize or Storm Cat ever race on grass?
Neither did.

blackthroatedwind 12-20-2006 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah that Manhattan I loaded up on Relaxed Gesture. Looked beat around the turn, but came running well late. I believe Bailey rode the rail the entire way around, while Brice "I want to be in Mike Smith land" Blanc had Relaxed wide for much of the race. Now, I am not blaming Blanc, because I don't want to upset BBB, but Bailey won that race.

I bet Saint Stephen....he sucked.

Relaxed Gesture ( and that idiot Bris Blanc ) was tons the best.

eurobounce 12-20-2006 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I bet Saint Stephen....he sucked.

Relaxed Gesture ( and that idiot Bris Blanc ) was tons the best.
Relaxed Gesture was the best in many of his races that he didnt win.

mark2061mn 12-21-2006 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Far more people know Ride the Rails as the sire of Candy Ride...then they know him as 'The horse who beat Dehere in an allowance race.' If you had the misfortune of talking with West Coasters a lot...you would know this!
You're obvious attempt at misdirection by denigrating West Coasters cannot hide that you are the internets biggest fan of Aaron Hesz.

Nice try dude.

repent 12-21-2006 01:04 AM
RGesture is a very nice horse. unlucky many times, but he has run competitively with some of the best turf horses in this country over the past 3 years.
is going to remain in training in 2007?



Repent

KirisClown 12-21-2006 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
If Kirisclown was here he would have gotten it instantly.

You're too kind.. when I first read it, I thought the answer was Hennessy...

It was a great question....

KirisClown 12-21-2006 09:19 AM
Who was the last horse to win the Manhattan Handicap, Man o'War and Turf Classic all in the same year?

blackthroatedwind 12-21-2006 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by KirisClown
Who was the last horse to win the Manhattan Handicap, Man o'War and Turf Classic all in the same year?
Was it Paradise Creek?

oracle80 12-21-2006 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by KirisClown
Who was the last horse to win the Manhattan Handicap, Man o'War and Turf Classic all in the same year?
Diplomatic Jet? Didn't he do that?

oracle80 12-21-2006 09:27 AM
I think it was Jet, it was a VERY bad year of American grass horses that year and I'm not sure if he even won the Eclipse award.

blackthroatedwind 12-21-2006 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
I think it was Jet, it was a VERY bad year of American grass horses that year and I'm not sure if he even won the Eclipse award.
Obviously Kotashan won that Eclipse award...but Diplomatic Jet did win all three races.

Gander 12-21-2006 09:32 AM
You are right Oracle, that was good. 1996 was the year.
Sick pup you are for knowing that.

KirisClown 12-21-2006 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Was it Paradise Creek?

Good guess, but Paradise Creek was done after 94...

oracle80 12-21-2006 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Obviously Kotashan won that Eclipse award...but Diplomatic Jet did win all three races.
I couldn't remember who it was who beat him, are you sure Kotashan was that year?
I hated Jet, I always played against him and he always made those loose leads in slow paces.

KirisClown 12-21-2006 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
Diplomatic Jet? Didn't he do that?
Yup, very good...

Who rode him in all of those wins?

oracle80 12-21-2006 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Gander
You are right Oracle, that was good. 1996 was the year.
Sick pup you are for knowing that.
You always remember the horses you couldn't ever catch and disliked.

blackthroatedwind 12-21-2006 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
I couldn't remember who it was who beat him, are you sure Kotashan was that year?
I hated Jet, I always played against him and he always made those loose leads in slow paces.

I'm wrong...I was thinking 1993.

oracle80 12-21-2006 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by KirisClown
Yup, very good...

Who rode him in all of those wins?
Chavez. He always got away with murder on the lead and I always swore and ripped up tickets. Picou trained him.

oracle80 12-21-2006 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm wrong...I was thinking 1993.
But he did lose the award didn't he?
I can't recall who but I seem to remember him running in some late year race at Calder maybe the McKnight? trying to win the eclipse award.

KirisClown 12-21-2006 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
I think it was Jet, it was a VERY bad year of American grass horses that year and I'm not sure if he even won the Eclipse award.

It wasnt THAT bad...

In those races he beat horses like Flag Down, Mecke, Awad, Marlin, Raintrap, Dernier Empereur.

If it wasnt for a bad ride in the Caesar's Inernational that year he would have won that too...

oracle80 12-21-2006 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by KirisClown
It wasnt THAT bad...

In those races he beat horses like Flag Down, Mecke, Awad, Marlin, Raintrap, Dernier Empereur.

If it wasnt for a bad ride in the Caesar's Inernational that year he would have won that too...
LOL!!! I disagree!! yeah thats it, that was teh year. I thought those horses were brutal. I think I tried Marlin to beat him a couple of times and he never could. WHo won the Caesars that year?

blackthroatedwind 12-21-2006 09:39 AM
Bad ride? Well....Chavez rode him.

Singspeil won that year...even though he lost the BC turf to Pilsudski.

Gander 12-21-2006 09:41 AM
I miss those horses. A lot better than what we have seen here on turf recently.

oracle80 12-21-2006 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Bad ride? Well....Chavez rode him.

Singspeil won that year...even though he lost the BC turf to Pilsudski.
singspiel won an eclipse? man, I never would got that question right. If he didnt win the BC, and he didnt win the races we named, what the hell did he win to get the award?

blackthroatedwind 12-21-2006 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Gander
I miss those horses. A lot better than what we have seen here on turf recently.

No argument from me. They were certainly no worse than English Channel and Cacique.

I miss good horses like Star of Cozzene.

blackthroatedwind 12-21-2006 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
singspiel won an eclipse? man, I never would got that question right. If he didnt win the BC, and he didnt win the races we named, what the hell did he win to get the award?
The Canadian International.

He was lengths better than Diplomatic Jet but his US accomplishments were minimal.

KirisClown 12-21-2006 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
LOL!!! I disagree!! yeah thats it, that was teh year. I thought those horses were brutal. I think I tried Marlin to beat him a couple of times and he never could. WHo won the Caesars that year?
Sandpit...

You really think Awad and Mecke were brutal?

oracle80 12-21-2006 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
The Canadian International.

He was lengths better than Diplomatic Jet but his US accomplishments were minimal.
wow, that woulda made a good trivia question, who won the 1996 eclipse award. I could never have gotten that one in a million years.

KirisClown 12-21-2006 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Bad ride? Well....Chavez rode him.

Singspeil won that year...even though he lost the BC turf to Pilsudski.
Actually Chavez was supposed to ride him that day... but there was some issue with the helicopter and the jocks from Belmont couldnt make it to Atlantic City. Dale Lynch ended up riding Diplomatic Jet..

blackthroatedwind 12-21-2006 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by KirisClown
Sandpit...

You really think Awad and Mecke were brutal?
I like to think of him as Shmecke.

They only seemed bad as we were coming off some genuinely good horses. Compared to the dreck we see nowadays they were very good. We live in a world where people actually think English Channel is really good. 20 years ago he would have been lucky to have hit the board in a good turf stake.

Gander 12-21-2006 09:46 AM
I made one of the bigger bets of my life on Sandpit in the Arlington Million the year Marlin wired the field. Pretty sure he ran 2nd. I bet Sandpit to win at around 4/1.

oracle80 12-21-2006 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by KirisClown
Sandpit...

You really think Awad and Mecke were brutal?
Well not brutal, but I guess I never had much luck with any of those horses.
You know how some years you just have a division figured out and do well betting the particular races on that division and some years you just always miss?
That was one of the years I ALWAYS missed. I don't think I cashed a ticket on a grade one grass race that year.

Sightseek 12-21-2006 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
No argument from me. They were certainly no worse than English Channel and Cacique.

I miss good horses like Star of Cozzene.
Are you impressed at all with Showing Up? (excuse my stupid questions, I didn't follow racing when the horses mentioned above raced)

Gander 12-21-2006 09:47 AM
I had a lot of luck with a horse called Flag Down.

oracle80 12-21-2006 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by KirisClown
Actually Chavez was supposed to ride him that day... but there was some issue with the helicopter and the jocks from Belmont couldnt make it to Atlantic City. Dale Lynch ended up riding Diplomatic Jet..
Holy **** now I remember the race. The atlantic city guys all got mounts because the copter coming from Belmont didn't make it. I think Sandpit won because his jock was already there having flown in straight from cali earlier and he was riding against guys hwo usually rode 3 claimers.

blackthroatedwind 12-21-2006 09:49 AM
Oracle
 
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