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Cannon Shell 11-07-2013 02:53 PM

Didnt take long for the league to figure out how to beat the 3 game juggernaut Sixers. They have given up 15 and 18 3 point baskets in their last two losses.

Phoenix is playing really hard too. They had a chance against SA last night but couldnt come up with a stop.

Orlando has a lot of pieces. They are a player or two from being good.

Duvalier 11-07-2013 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 953210)
It doesn't seem to be a sound decision on the face of it.

The games I've watched this year they have played hard but look disjointed on offense.

I think that comes from starting Allen and Prince together...teams are just packing the lane and crowding Gasol and Randolph and at the same time leaving Conley no room to get to the basket. I'm sure they'll eventually adjust but I still don't get the whole metrics thing.

Cannon Shell 11-07-2013 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 953213)
I think that comes from starting Allen and Prince together...teams are just packing the lane and crowding Gasol and Randolph and at the same time leaving Conley no room to get to the basket. I'm sure they'll eventually adjust but I still don't get the whole metrics thing.

They may be better letting Bayless play more with the 1st team. He is the one guy they have that can create his own shot and perhaps loosen up things. I know they like him to anchor the offense when Conley is resting but they need to spread things out.

Cannon Shell 11-07-2013 04:49 PM

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingS...&sortOrder=DES

This is really great

Cannon Shell 11-07-2013 04:53 PM

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingP...E*20**AST*GE*3


Like you need more proof on the greatness of Paul

RockHardTen1985 11-07-2013 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 953203)
How bout them Cavs! Bad loss last night to a weak team missing TWO starters.

Clearly they are not meshing. Bynums not close. #1 pick is a whale and Waiters I overrated. I still think they are a playoff team, and by playoff time they should be improved and in shape. Anyone but Miami or Indiana they could upset.

Duvalier 11-07-2013 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 953224)

4 of the Blazers starters in the top 25 in Distance Traveled Per Game (miles). They sure aren't racking up those miles by getting back defensively.

Cannon Shell 11-07-2013 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 953228)
Clearly they are not meshing. Bynums not close. #1 pick is a whale and Waiters I overrated. I still think they are a playoff team, and by playoff time they should be improved and in shape. Anyone but Miami or Indiana they could upset.

Chicago and the Nets will sweep them.

Duvalier 11-07-2013 06:18 PM

Watching the NBA on TNT and listening to Charles lol...says the two things you need on a good team are a superstar and a crazy guy. Talking about the Pacers and Lance Stephenson. TNT's pregame show is great.

Cannon Shell 11-07-2013 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 953231)
Watching the NBA on TNT and listening to Charles lol...says the two things you need on a good team are a superstar and a crazy guy. Talking about the Pacers and Lance Stephenson. TNT's pregame show is great.

Best studio show in sports. Not even close

RockHardTen1985 11-07-2013 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 953230)
Chicago and the Nets will sweep them.

Chicago has huge issues, people better start understanding that now. Miami and Indiana are so far ahead of everyone else its not even really worth discussing.

As for your boy Jordan.....2-6, 6 points and 1 block in 30min vs Miami. Miami's only weakness is being soft inside so your boy should dominate.

Cannon Shell 11-07-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 953243)
Chicago has huge issues, people better start understanding that now. Miami and Indiana are so far ahead of everyone else its not even really worth discussing.

As for your boy Jordan.....2-6, 6 points and 1 block in 30min vs Miami. Miami's only weakness is being soft inside so your boy should dominate.

He isnt my boy but they cant do anything in the playoffs unless he plays significantly better. He doesnt play well and they lose. Big surprise.

What are Chicago's issues?

RockHardTen1985 11-07-2013 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 953247)
He isnt my boy but they cant do anything in the playoffs unless he plays significantly better. He doesnt play well and they lose. Big surprise.

What are Chicago's issues?

Chicagos issue. I will start with the basic most obvious ones. They are not nearly as good as Indiana or Miami, but they actually believe they are. Thats a big problem. They are not big enough or tough enough for Indiana. They dont score enough and they again are not tough enough where they think they can bully Miami. They are just not that good. Butler is like this made up version of Paul George. Young and supposed to be good, good defender slasher. But hes not. Hes just not that good. He is a 10-13 point a game scorer who everyone had as a breakout type star. Good luck. Boozer and Deng are exactly what they are. Rock solid, but you are never winning a championship with big Carlos being your #2. These 2 have literally been on the trade block for at least 3 years. NOah, Hinrich, Dunleavy these guys are journey men. None of them do multiple things good. Dunleavy plays no D, but can shoot a little. Hinrich is a joke. Noah plays D and rebounds, Ill give you that but he is literally no threat at all on O.
Biggest problem is D Rose. Dude will never ever ever win a Title. Its Lebrons league for 5 years. Then Durant or Paul George will have a turn. Paul George is only 23 and he is the most exciting player in the NBA other then Lebron. He is a future super star.

RockHardTen1985 11-07-2013 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 953231)
Watching the NBA on TNT and listening to Charles lol...says the two things you need on a good team are a superstar and a crazy guy. Talking about the Pacers and Lance Stephenson. TNT's pregame show is great.

Pacers are really good. They are a 100% legit threat to Miami.
Honestly Oden better be able to give them 20min a game come playoff time or Miami might be in trouble

Cannon Shell 11-07-2013 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 953251)
Chicagos issue. I will start with the basic most obvious ones. They are not nearly as good as Indiana or Miami, but they actually believe they are. Thats a big problem. They are not big enough or tough enough for Indiana. They dont score enough and they again are not tough enough where they think they can bully Miami. They are just not that good. Butler is like this made up version of Paul George. Young and supposed to be good, good defender slasher. But hes not. Hes just not that good. He is a 10-13 point a game scorer who everyone had as a breakout type star. Good luck. Boozer and Deng are exactly what they are. Rock solid, but you are never winning a championship with big Carlos being your #2. These 2 have literally been on the trade block for at least 3 years. NOah, Hinrich, Dunleavy these guys are journey men. None of them do multiple things good. Dunleavy plays no D, but can shoot a little. Hinrich is a joke. Noah plays D and rebounds, Ill give you that but he is literally no threat at all on O.
Biggest problem is D Rose. Dude will never ever ever win a Title. Its Lebrons league for 5 years. Then Durant or Paul George will have a turn. Paul George is only 23 and he is the most exciting player in the NBA other then Lebron. He is a future super star.


LeBron only has a second ring because Ray Allen hit a miracle shot.

Chicago is a talented, well coached team. They will be fine.

Cannon Shell 11-07-2013 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 953252)
Pacers are really good. They are a 100% legit threat to Miami.
Honestly Oden better be able to give them 20min a game come playoff time or Miami might be in trouble

The Pacers are very good. Bird did a great job upgrading the bench.

RockHardTen1985 11-07-2013 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 953262)
LeBron only has a second ring because Ray Allen hit a miracle shot.

Chicago is a talented, well coached team. They will be fine.

Do you watch Shark Tank?? Amazing show... Ill quote my favorite person in the world right now, Mr. Wonderful. Stop the madness!!!
Chuck Game 1 vs of those finals thay Ray Allen won Lebron had a monsterous 18 points 18 rebounds and 10 assists. They lost that game by 4. No one else showed up. Game 4 a pretty much most win being down 2-1 he goes for 33 and 11. Game 5 they lost, again no one else really plays well he goes for 25 8 and 6. And then game 6,7 is NBA history. 32 11 and 10 another triple double in game 6 and the epic game 7 37 and 12. So yes Ray Allen made a big shot, but come on now. Lebron won that thing.

Cannon Shell 11-07-2013 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 953265)
Do you watch Shark Tank?? Amazing show... Ill quote my favorite person in the world right now, Mr. Wonderful. Stop the madness!!!
Chuck Game 1 vs of those finals thay Ray Allen won Lebron had a monsterous 18 points 18 rebounds and 10 assists. They lost that game by 4. No one else showed up. Game 4 a pretty much most win being down 2-1 he goes for 33 and 11. Game 5 they lost, again no one else really plays well he goes for 25 8 and 6. And then game 6,7 is NBA history. 32 11 and 10 another triple double in game 6 and the epic game 7 37 and 12. So yes Ray Allen made a big shot, but come on now. Lebron won that thing.

If Ray Allen doesnt hit the miracle 3 point shot in game 6 San Antonio wins the title. Why is this hard to understand? LeBron is better than most people even realize still but let's not act like Miami swept to the title last year.

rpncaine 11-08-2013 09:16 AM

Miami is in trouble! I've followed the Pacers since ABA days and this is the best all around team here ever. Barring major inuries they will win the East.

Duvalier 11-08-2013 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 953243)
As for your boy Jordan.....2-6, 6 points and 1 block in 30min vs Miami. Miami's only weakness is being soft inside so your boy should dominate.

For you Rock...

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/3/1...t-under-armour

RockHardTen1985 11-08-2013 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 953308)

The guy is like 7 feet 330 weight and banged on a point guard.

cmorioles 11-09-2013 09:42 AM

You guys seen Steven Adams play yet? The guy is the real deal. Presti scores again, and this will definitely take a lot of the sting out of the Harden trade.

Lamb is looking pretty good too.

Duvalier 11-09-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by arizonadave (Post 953365)
The Suns win again tonight over Denver. I have the Suns at over 23 in Vegas. They are fun to watch.

Watched them opening night against the Blazers...that wasn't fun to watch. I was surprised how well Plumlee played. Their guards Dragic and Bledsoe are solid. So far your over is looking pretty good.

Cannon Shell 11-09-2013 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 953395)
You guys seen Steven Adams play yet? The guy is the real deal. Presti scores again, and this will definitely take a lot of the sting out of the Harden trade.

Lamb is looking pretty good too.

He is better than I thought he'd be though honestly I only saw him play a little in the summer league. Leads the league in contested rebound % by a long ways.

Duvalier 11-09-2013 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rpncaine (Post 953287)
Miami is in trouble! I've followed the Pacers since ABA days and this is the best all around team here ever. Barring major inuries they will win the East.

The Pacers definitely have a championship caliber defense. Monday against the Grizzlies should be a good one.

Cannon Shell 11-10-2013 04:00 PM

The Knicks were embarrassed by the Spurs today. The only positive was it was a 12 noon start on a football day so virtually no one watched. Thrilled that they gave Denver their number 1 draft pick in the most loaded draft in a decade in the Carmelo trade that my turn into a lottery selection.

RockHardTen1985 11-10-2013 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 953395)
You guys seen Steven Adams play yet? The guy is the real deal. Presti scores again, and this will definitely take a lot of the sting out of the Harden trade.

Lamb is looking pretty good too.

I like the big dude from Pitt. He can play.
But Harden is a superstar. A legit top 4 player in the entire league. And he is only like 24 or 25. And you can argue that with Harden still OKC gets to the finals last year. They at the very least get through Memphis.

Cannon Shell 11-11-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 953596)
I like the big dude from Pitt. He can play.
But Harden is a superstar. A legit top 4 player in the entire league. And he is only like 24 or 25. And you can argue that with Harden still OKC gets to the finals last year. They at the very least get through Memphis.

While you can debate the timing of the trade the fact remains that they simply could not afford the salary tax implications of keeping Harden if he wasnt willing to take a discount which he wasn't.

I believe they have still have another 1st round pick coming also.

declansharbor 11-11-2013 11:02 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEKK3GVd150


:D

cmorioles 11-11-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 953596)
I like the big dude from Pitt. He can play.
But Harden is a superstar. A legit top 4 player in the entire league. And he is only like 24 or 25. And you can argue that with Harden still OKC gets to the finals last year. They at the very least get through Memphis.

But, he would never be that in OKC. It would be silly to pay a guy max money along with all the luxury tax implications for a 3rd wheel, no matter how good that wheel is.

The Thunder got Adams, Lamb (who also is looking pretty good), another 1st round pick coming from Dallas, and a very promising Euro-stash in Alex Abrines. Obviously the first round pick from Dallas won't be a great one, and Abrines is a bit of gamble, but Presti has a great track record so I'll trust he'll get good players.

Another thing, Harden plays zero defense. You can't be a top 4 player in the league without trying on both ends. Maybe he'll get better, but he'll never be better than average on that end of the floor.

cmorioles 11-11-2013 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 953620)
While you can debate the timing of the trade the fact remains that they simply could not afford the salary tax implications of keeping Harden if he wasnt willing to take a discount which he wasn't.

I believe they have still have another 1st round pick coming also.

Outside of Brooklyn, teams are going to have to start being more responsible. The new CBA is extremely harsh on repeat offenders of luxury tax threshold. The Thunder took a small step back, but I think it will pay big dividends in the future.

Cannon Shell 11-11-2013 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 953637)
But, he would never be that in OKC. It would be silly to pay a guy max money along with all the luxury tax implications for a 3rd wheel, no matter how good that wheel is.

The Thunder got Adams, Lamb (who also is looking pretty good), another 1st round pick coming from Dallas, and a very promising Euro-stash in Alex Abrines. Obviously the first round pick from Dallas won't be a great one, and Abrines is a bit of gamble, but Presti has a great track record so I'll trust he'll get good players.

Another thing, Harden plays zero defense. You can't be a top 4 player in the league without trying on both ends. Maybe he'll get better, but he'll never be better than average on that end of the floor.

The Dallas pick could be ok. If Dirk were to go down they would be pretty helpless though I dont know if the pick is protected.

NBA trades are insanely tough to do because of salary cap and talent for talent is almost impossible. Unlike baseball where you get free agent compensation if you lose a player in the NBA you get nothing. They have even tweaked the sign and trades that teams used to do.

Irony in that Cleveland gets Miami's #1 in 2015 (from the sign and trade that Cleveland did when james left-people forget that wasnt a straight free agent signing, it wound up a sign and trade) which could be the year James leaves Miami and goes back to Cleveland. Considering the supporting cast in Miami is already aging that could easily be a lottery pick.

Cannon Shell 11-11-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 953638)
Outside of Brooklyn, teams are going to have to start being more responsible. The new CBA is extremely harsh on repeat offenders of luxury tax threshold. The Thunder took a small step back, but I think it will pay big dividends in the future.

I believe that all teams with the exception of Brooklyn and the Knicks are operating with the goal of staying under the tax especially the harsh repeater tax. Supposedly Brooklyn's payroll with taxes this year is somewhere in the 180 million neighborhood. At least they don't suck like the Knicks who get to ive away their 1st rounder this year to Denver as part of the ridiculous carmelo trade.

cmorioles 11-11-2013 01:15 PM

The Dallas pick is protected, not sure for how long though.

Cannon Shell 11-11-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 953646)
The Dallas pick is protected, not sure for how long though.

I looked it up and it is protected 1-20 through 2017 and unprotected in 2018

Fantastic news for the Knicks as they have no picks this year at all except for a 2nd round pick of Sacramento's that doesnt sound too bad except it is protected 31-55 and NY loses it after this year. What cahnce is there that Sac finishes in the top 6 this year? lol

They also have given up their 2016 1st rounder to toronto.

Cannon Shell 11-11-2013 01:27 PM

No draft picks included but try to make a trade

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

cmorioles 11-11-2013 02:17 PM

Haren's Defense:

http://nba.si.com/2013/11/11/james-h...uston-rockets/

cmorioles 11-11-2013 02:44 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EOYSzVLQyc#t=11

This stuff isn't going to help Harden either. He's already been fined this year, and he'll get less and less calls the more he gets caught. Referees don't like being embarrassed.

Duvalier 11-11-2013 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 953657)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EOYSzVLQyc#t=11

This stuff isn't going to help Harden either. He's already been fined this year, and he'll get less and less calls the more he gets caught. Referees don't like being embarrassed.

Yeah he flopped really bad against the Blazers for the first one when Wes Matthews was guarding him on a jump shot.

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/or...nba/index.html

Duvalier 11-13-2013 09:03 AM

Is DeMarcus Cousins the new Benoit Benjamin? The guy has all the skill and talent in the world but has nothing upstairs and is lazy beyond belief on the court...yet still puts up impressive individual numbers.

If he actually put some effort into his game and tried to help those around him get better, he would absolutely dominate on both ends of the floor and the Kings might actually win a few games...the guy is practically unstoppable when he's engaged. Seems like he has no desire whatsoever to play defense and only cares about getting his points on the offensive end. What's your impressions of him?


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