Deep Impact is the absolute nuts if he fires. Period.

So is G dub.

He has to show up to win and he still has the Classic option.

I just love all this insider stuff!

And here we all were 100% sure that George Washington was coming for the Mile. I may have to cancel my BC plans.

You don't need to be an insider. O'Brien has said publicly he is not sure what he is doing. It is still September and the race is in November. There are a bunch of interesting scenarios and they all involve his fee for next year. A win in the BC Mile is likely to do very little for his fee. A top 3 finish in the Classic could be worth quite a bit more for obvious reasons. This is Ballydoyle.

You are thinking like a fan. They think like an owner of a stallion. Coolmore would gain nothing from a BC Mile win. His fee is not going to go up with another group 1 win on the turf. The winnings from the BC Mile are nothing compared to what another $50-100K added to a starting fee would be.

Blackthroat, why do you knock the insider information, when you play a role as an insider too.

In this case I was joking about it because as the poster responded it was all information that was in the paper. To say " I happen to know " sort of implies that you have some inside info when in this case it was both obvious and public.

I don't really play the insider role...I am an insider....but I don't think you will find me repeating things or boldly stating I know some sort of inside info. I am amazed that people would repeat things they may have heard in confidence on message boards ( which is why I don't trust most of what I read in that vein ). I just find all the hand waving amusing.

Oh, alright I wasnt sure. I figured you were an insider from reading your posts

He is a NY (NYRA) insider. He would know nothing about Ballydoyle.

Really...who knew you were an " insider " on me.

I know a whole helluva lot more, apparently, than you think you know.

Ughh, look what slithered in under the door.

GW will be running in the BC Mile or no Breeders Cup races. The Classic for GW is a non-issue because he is not going to run in that race. GW is about 74% for the BC Mile. If not the mile, then no race in the US.

How did you calculate the 74%:p

So lemme get this straight, do you actually speak to Aidan O'Brien?
My guess is that it goes more like this.
The breeders call out of interest, to the guy who owes them nothing since they only bred the horse, they don't own it or have any influence in even the slightest way, and O Brien says to be polite, perhaps this. The breeders tell a few folks, including your friend, what the speculative plans are. your friend tells you.
I guess this is the definition of an insider at Ballydoyle.

Or do you actually speak to O'Brien?

GW is more impressive because of the horses he has been facing. His turn of foot is more impressive because it is against other horses with good turn of foot. Deep Impact has been facing (IMO) lesser horses, therefore his turn of foot looks more impressive. You can think what you want and I hope you are right, but IMO Deep Impact will not come close to winning the Prix.

Did you like that 74% - HA HA. I always get tired of people using 75, 80, 85 as numbers--ha ha.

I think you are correct on this one.

Not AO. Tim Corballis. You really have no idea how this business works.

Yeah I think I am.
Noone comes here representing themselves as an insider. I mean, what kind of label is that anyway?
And people who do have inside information on certain events that connections are considering or certain events that are happening, will not post them here. They know better than to take information that is given to them in confidence and repeat it on a message board before it has been made public.
Sure, I gave Steve a few scoops, but only after getting the permission of the people who gave me the info to call a friend in journalism.
No insider wants to be referred to as such, nor does he or she care.
And no insider is gonna post info that has not been cleared by the source to be broadcast in public, lest they lose that privilege and source.

Congrats!!!
I was actually in the winners circle photo of Hawk Wings Breeders Cup win at Arlington. I got invited by a friend of Demi's. Does that make me an insider?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh I have no idea how the business works? That may be the funniest thing you ever said here.
Well thats swell. I'm so impressed I better go back to watch the end of Grey's Anatomy and calm down.

No. I am in NY for a wedding. Little brother is at the library. I guess people don't like it when they get corrected when posting things they know nothing about.

Stick to buying horses off the track. Being in a winners circle photo means nothing and you know that. Who is your friend that knows Dr. O'Byrne? I actually saw Hawk Wings first foal last year at Bryanstown House. I am very curious who you would know that is friends with Dr. O'Byrne. Your story sounds pretty unlikely.

The original poster said he knew George Washington was coming for the BC Mile. It is possible, but no decision has been made. His post was incorrect. I guess people can post anything on these boards and nobody questions them. I was amused by his 74% number, proving my point.

Maybe the original poster should take your advice. Then again, it seems you have zero accountability on these boards. Say whatever you want, nobody in the business cares about your opinion. In fact, with the exception of a few NY people, most have never heard of you. You might want to rethink how close you are with Seth too. I am not sure he thinks of you as a friend.

I dont believe the orginal poster - which is me - ever said GW is 100% for the Mile. I think the original poster - which is me - said words like IT APPEARS and APPARENTLY--now if those two words mean 100% then I need a new dictionary. Here is the original post.

Well it appears that the BC Mile is now over. I believe GW is going to go in the mile. He will destroy this field with great ease. What is great about this move is that it may set-up a showdown between Gorella and Ouija Board in the Filly and Mare Turf. Boy what a great race that is going to be. I would lean towards OB because of who she has been up against, but Gorella is where my heart is. But keep in mind that they both have to catch Wait A While--remember Intercontinental last year. Maybe we will see a repeat performace by Wait A While.

I would love to see the inside information I posted. Please show me. Nothing I posted hasn't already been said in public. I can't help it if you guys do not read papers, watch television or listen to radio outside the US. It is funny how you guys post about horses overseas without paying any attention to what goes on over there. When you have to have a separate International section on your board, you pretty much are admitting you do not care.

You are making your beliefs based on what? Pulling them out of the air? Let me also tell you no decision has been made on Oujia Board. The softness of the BC Turf has them interested. Lastly, Gorella is still possible for the mile.

I'm looking for the original poster who said he "knew" GW was coming.

The original poster on this thread said "I believe" that GW is coming. That was not an incorrect post. AO himself said on Saturday after the race that the mile was very likely.

It looks to me like you may be the one just throwing up anything.

Sorry. I am used to reading a board where people have to stick to facts. Not pull things out of the air. This is the "National Enquirer" of horse racing message boards. Now I see why my brother posts here.

" Facts " are a pretty elusive thing in horse racing in general.

You should get to know some of the people here before insulting them.

Or not.