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Danzig2 09-13-2006 10:41 AM

mares already are more coveted, it explains how wild fit (for example) can go for what she went for last winter without much pedigree.
also explains why some are claiming mares with poor race records, but black type in their pedigree, cleaning them up and re-selling as broodmare prospects--the new pinhookers.

sumitas 09-13-2006 12:06 PM

you are right Danny, pedigrees have never been more important for finding real solid value. the entire pedigree, not just the first couple of gens which are the big sellers at the auctions. and you're right, the racing mares need prolly 6 months of detoxification from the track before they should be mated.

Rupert Pupkin 09-13-2006 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
Yeah, thats what I meat...that is fairly the process....I guess what I'm saying is that you don't have to incrue a big expense up front to have an understanding of what you are getting and I think many people don't know that.....the repository protects the owners, however, many of those x-rays were taken a couple of months prior to the sales ad before the horses were shiped to the sales grounds - so it is always good practice to x-ray your horses arterwards...

The vets even charge you when they read the x-rays for you. Even though they weren't the ones who took the x-rays in the repository, they still charge you when they look at them. If my memory is correct, I think our vet bill from the Keeneland sale last year was around $9,000.

paisjpq 09-13-2006 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
Yeah, thats what I meat...that is fairly the process....I guess what I'm saying is that you don't have to incrue a big expense up front to have an understanding of what you are getting and I think many people don't know that.....the repository protects the owners, however, many of those x-rays were taken a couple of months prior to the sales ad before the horses were shiped to the sales grounds - so it is always good practice to x-ray your horses arterwards...

I don't know about other farms but the one I worked on always did x-rays within two weeks of whenever that yearling would sell...It made the films recent but also left enough time to redo any that they didn't like etc.

sumitas 09-13-2006 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig2
mares already are more coveted, it explains how wild fit (for example) can go for what she went for last winter without much pedigree.
also explains why some are claiming mares with poor race records, but black type in their pedigree, cleaning them up and re-selling as broodmare prospects--the new pinhookers.

Grannies Feather (unraced), the dam of Wild Fit, was bought for $500 at a sheriff's auction in Tsx. She has produced Wild Fit and Fusaichi Rock Star. She does have 4 reines de course pre 1941 so her family has some foundation.

Balletto 09-13-2006 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
You mean Ruffian via her sire Reviewer, who wasn't the soundest horse (only managed 13 starts in 3 campaigns, in a era when that was one year's work for many), right? Reviewer's champion sister Queen of the Stage had a similar record. But some other foals of their dam Broadway seem to be sounder (Great White Way, Will Hays) and Flitabout's own foals look to have been fairly sturdy. I'd be inclined to fault Reviewer's sire Bold Ruler more than Flitabout, since he had his share of soft horses out of stoutish mares (compare Boldnesian with half-sister Princessnesian).

That was more or less my point... Ruffian is hailed as the best there ever was in her gender and there's been a ton of pedigree discussion about how her sire, Reviewer, and his family are the "culprits". I was just bringing up the point that if you took Ruffian out of the equation, the family wouldnt be looked at as anything but "usual" in the soundness department.


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