More to the point - why wouldn't you consider a private buy on a horse like that? That way, you avoid 60 days jail at Philly, and you save conditions you can use by not risking them in a race you might claim out of.

So, Scav, why not attempt a private buy if this IN-bred was on your radar?

The private buy is always an option, but the few horses we have claimed generally get 30-60 days to refresh before we run them anyway so the jail wouldn't be a big issue to me. As far as conditions, we would ideally have ( and I can't speak specifically to this horse) all the IN Bred conditions left so it might be worth risking an open condition in that PHA race. All things to consider certainly, but I still don't think it's a ridiculous notion.

No offense man, but we weren't worried about claiming conditions with that horse.

Life conditions are your friend so it's something to always be concerned with. I don't know what the IN program entails so I understand why you would mention they aren't important if there's no additional payday for condition races.

Dandy is a Suffolk trainer - or was. He used to come down to MD for the winter meet and then go back when SUF reopened. Don't know if he still does that or not, i.e., winters at Philly and goes back to SUF in May.

And to think - I drive by Grove's barn everytime I go to Bowie to see my horses.... networking is a wonderful thing.....

Race: 9 Changes Time Posted
#4 Adagio (GB) Scratched - Trainer 10:45 AM ET

All this thread for nothing.

This thread was..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0qm0KUPeD8

or maybe this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjDnGBrhhaQ

yup..or that

He would be an allowance horse in IN not a conditioned claimer. IN breds are generally terrible horses. Appoint won an INbred allowance race and was stakes placed. Her lifetime top beyer is a 50.

More importantly, jail time in PA is 30 days, such an astute mid atlantic claim guy should know this.

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/05.../s163.254.html

Which, amazingly, lines up with the Indiana Downs meet, which amazingly has 29k allowance races won by 35 Beyers, which amazingly get another 20% owners bonus up to 10k.

I'm pretty sure the jail time you are referring to is just for the claiming price you can run him for. As far as running the horse somewhere else...that's more than 30 days of jail time I believe.

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/05...hap163toc.html

Here are the rules, there is no state requirement that I can find, besides 163.255 but that is in regards to selling or transfering a claimed horse.

I think if you do the claim, you wait the 30 days and then you can do what you want with the horse.

I'm pretty sure it is 60 days before you can run him out of town

Ok, show me where it says that. Those are the commission rules and a specific rule such as that will be there somewhere, and it would be in the claiming section. I'll look through it more tonight, including checking when it was last updated.

But to add some some kind reasoning to this, within the Gill PA claiming era, he would claim horses in PA and run them at Laurel or Charlestown or Delaware, he definitely wouldn't have made money or probably do that if he had to wait 60 days.

Scav,

That's the key, when was this document last updated. It still has references to Commordore Downs (closed in 1970's, replaced by Erie Downs - closed in the late '80's and replaced by Presque Isle Downs) and Keystone Race Track (now Philadelphia Park).

FWIW, we claimed a horse last summer at Philadelphia Park with the intent to run at Penn National. Our trainer mentioned that he would be in jail for 60 days, which wasn't a big deal because we planned to give him some time off anyway.

Best,
Scanman

Alright, I apologize then. I am pretty surprised with how anal the PA racing commission is with things that this would stay up like that.

You guys are all correct in that it is 60 days in PA. My apologies for the aggressiveness

hmmm:rolleyes:

Yeah, should have listened to Freddy. Made an ass out of myself on the PHA thing, because that was personal when it started talking about the IN bred.

All things considered, it shouldn't have gotten to where it went because I should just know better that people are going voice their opinions how they do and that is that. If you go back to my original post, I shouldn't have used the word guarantee but all I was saying was that they would have claimed Adagio because of the 16k starters at Arlington, which all the guys I have mentioned have made that move before (Claim at Gulfstream to run at Arlington). Then it went into me supposedly mentioning all the mid-atlantic guys and not knowing them.

I think we both were narrow minded with our opinion in that BTW focused on the mid-atlantic and I focused on the Arlington people, where Gulfstream is a unique opportunity where operations from multiple circuits get the opportunity to race against each other. I will still argue that the people I was talking about didn't have the same opportunity to claim him when he was in for 25k out east because it is a completely different situation for the guys I spoke about when they are on-site.

Dutrow's other horse got claimed today by Mark Thomas, not someone I have ever heard of, and while the horses were different, it will be interesting to see how many claims were in on him (It looks like Gulfstream updates their claim log regularly)

Finally, I took offense and took the wrong way in regards to his comments about who I have or am banging, and I regret responding the way I did because that isn't how I roll. For that, I am sorry.

Scav, you're a bigger man then several on here. Some folks like to push buttons and point out the mistakes of others for a variety of reasons, mostly (I think) because it makes them feel better about themselves when they can belittle others. It takes a strong man to admit they made a mistake and apologize... Hopefully you get apologies in return.

This was an interesting and educational thread... For a variety of reasons.

You can't win any races if they can't walk the next day.

Im not saying Adagio is crippled. He will never be worth more than where hes running. Those guys are busted probably need to pay off a couple armanis. 15 seems reasonable. SOmebody coulud have fun with that horse and be hard to get hurt.

tom keep an eye on this horse , there was a good reason why he was scratched yesterday

Bid, the first half of your post seems to contradict the 2nd. From it's last couple of races, the horse would appear to be worth a lot more that $15K. To be worth $15K, there have to be some significant issues. When there are significant issues, buyers can indeed get hurt.

The scratch probably saved me from a losing bet. Formal King won with ease.


--Dunbar

You really never took the time to try to listen to what I said.

Whatever. I NEVER focused on the mid-atlantic. NEVER.
I focused on the much bigger picture.

Hes worth what he can win for Dunbar no more or less. 15k is no major hit, if he is a complete cripple he should be able to win back for that on class alone

I thought this name sounded familiar.......

9th (5:14)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Claiming ($25,000 - $20,000) | Purse: $29,000

Prg. # PP Horse Jockey Trainer Wt. Claim $ Equip. Med. ML
1 1 Pavoratti's Soul Bravo J Hills Timothy A 120 $25,000 L 12-1
2 2 Sunshine Kid Sanchez J Hamm Timothy 120 $25,000 L 12-1
3 3 Lunar Fleet Nunez E O Khan Shaffique 120 $25,000 L 15-1
4 4 Varitek Bridgmohan J V Gaffney Ronald 118 $20,000 L 20-1
5 5 Spicy Dubai Marquez C H Jr Matz Michael R 120 $25,000 L 6-1
6 6 Adari Lopez P Klesaris Steve 120 $25,000 L 4-1
7 7 Adagio (GB) Castanon J L Dutrow, Jr. R E 120 $25,000 L 8-5
8 8 Bandit Prince Garcia L Pilotti Larry 1137 $25,000 L 8-1
9 9 Paster's Bad Habit Saez L Root Heidi 1155 $25,000 L 12-1
10 10 Little Dovefeather Castro E Zoppi Joseph 120 $25,000 L 20-1
11 11 Kaufman Trujillo E Wallace David 120 $25,000 L 10-1
12 MTO Catch Rikki Lopez P Plesa Edward Jr 120 $25,000 L 3-1

:L:

You and PG?
I gotta go with PG, hes bigger then you.

You would lose that bet.

Lets set it up then, I think PG is game. You seem confident, you giving me 2-1 on him? I will bet my life, my house, my socks and the shampoo bottle I jerked off into.

That seals it, Bigs is taking a dive.

I'm going to block you on FB.

Bigs is scared to accept.

Yup.

Im taking PG and Chuck last 2 in the cage match. PG might harness all the GC anger and win it all.

Bigs FB

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?....1008640557..1

If you, ateam and B-Dub just keep moving, Cannon and PG will eventually just lay down.

Fine have it your way. Enjoy Dougie's socks and his special bottle.

Note to self....block Scav too.

Heres the thing and this is the first time Im telling anyone this story. When PG came up here and spent a few days with me and we had the man date and ****, some dude picked a fight with me and PG handled it for me. He was like a mixture of Andre the Gaint and Shawn Micheals.... Hence him calling himself my bodyguard from time to time.