If it's ill-witted rubbish ... why do you revel in consuming it?

C'mon ... admit it ... you love reading my stuff ... doncha?

Oh of course... just like everyone else in here does. :rolleyes:

You pass the integrity test.

Unlike Best Pal Lava Man has a "miraculous" trainer and he hasnt beaten anything of quality yet. Kudos to the horse for taking advantage of a weak colony, i hope all of his backers load up on him for the breeders cup b/c he'll have no shot vs Invasor and Bernardini.

Absolutely amazing...Lava Man will win the BCC if he holds his current form, this is the same crap I heard about another "late bloomer" a few years back, and unlike that one, Lava Man can get out of his own way on the turf...at least I think that's what being a grade one winner on the surface indicates...that horse that I mentioned? Oh yeah, he went on to win a few more races in a row and did it all over the country...still he was beaten in California by a "non-grade-one-type"...maybe he wasn't any good either?? These same haters probably would agree that Cigar is overrated...right??

I love it when overrated horses win because posts like these are always the outcome. Comparing Lava Man to Cigar? Wow.

Overated horses don't win four Grade I races on both surfaces, and six races in a row. I take it that you were probably one of the ones that thought that LITF was overrated. I really do wish you were right. He wasn't overrated...he had cancer.

wonder what Cigar's bicarbonate level was, Simon Bray KNOWS!

I think he was pointing out the fact that most people called Cigar overrated at one point in his career. If Lava Man wins his next ten starts, will he still be overrated? If he jumps through burning hoops for you will he be overrated? The horse has won 4 grade ones in a row... I sure as hell wouldn't mind having him in my stable.

I dont care if he wins 20 more races, he can beat up on Magnum, Preachinatthebar that many times if he wants wont mean damn thing. Just that one race where he is competitive agaisnt Bernard,invasor, flower alley, and the rest of the east coast handicap horsies

You can stop kissing butt ANY TIME now, Jerry. The day that you can come to your own decisions is just too far away...

kissing whos butt, ive been agaisnt Lava Man for well over 2 years now

Does this horse remind anyone else of Seasbiscuit, or is it just me? The stories are quite similar, at least, as far as the actual horses go. Both claimers turned stars with more heart than the rest of the field combined. Both Cali horses hated by biased East Coasters that don't want to give credit when credit is due. This horse is turning into an absolute legend right before us. When his career is over, if it ends good, they need to write a book about him and his story. For all you lovers like me, enjoy him.

Oh I'm sure you have. And I think you know whose butt you're kissing.

at least Seabread kicked war admiral's behind and shut the east coast establishment up, arrogrant sons of biaaches they are

They might be listed grade 1's but to me the gold cup and pac classic were nothing more than grade 3 races due to the quality of the fields.
So far, the older male division in racing this year is comparable to the 1994 MLB season in terms of quality.

Whose to say that Lava Man won't kick the East Coasters especially if he runs back to his top number in one of his East Coast races? His career isn't over yet. He still has a lot of years left unless he injures himself. Seabiscuit beat War Admiral in the fall of his five year old year. It isn't impossible for Lava Man to win the BCC if he comes. I think he MIGHT can beat Invasor, and if Bernardini doesn't fire, who knows? I do think that the horse will hit the board if he comes.

I don't have a stable and even if I did that's not the ****ing point. The point is the older division is horrible this year. To even compare Invasor, Lava Man or any of the older horses to past champions is ridiculous at this point.

The same with Invasor's Surburban. That wasn't a true Grade I field now was it? See, you can play this game all you want to, but it only goes around in circles. Invasor has beat nothing of Grade I quality all year. He almost lost to Sun King for God's sake. Don't give me that FA crap either because FA isn't the same horse that he was last year.

Who was comparing the horses to past champions? If you are referring to Somerfrost's post, it was clearly obvious that he was just making a statement and not necessarily comparing Lava Man to Cigar as of yet. The older division may not be as bad as you think. Everyone seems to be running decent times in their races.

LOL...thats funny I dont kiss ass unless its a chic. Other than that ive held this opinion of Lava Man and have letting it been known for a good long while now

I guess the Jockey Club should downgrade those three big GI races to GIII races because of the fields this year. I can't wait to see Evening Attire or Danthebluegrassman give the GIII Pacific Classic a go next year since they're so obviously GIII races.

I agree that the Suburban was a crap race as well. The whole division reminds me of the Heavyweight division in boxing. Lackluster and no clear cut champion(s).

To be quite honest I am far more impressed with the crop of two year olds and not to mention Gorella. She's an amazing animal.

That I can agree with. The two year olds seem to be outstanding, and I think that we still have a really good group of three year olds despite all of the injuries. Gorella is the mare. I have liked her for a very, very long time.

Or we could just call Lava Man the greatest horse since Secretariat. Does that work for you? I know it's on the opposite side of the sarcasm meter but i'll be damned if I let you be the only smart ass in the thread. ;)

They haven't picked easy spots for him. They shipped him to New York and even shipped him to Japan. He lost in New York. So what. He obviously did not fire that day. Borrego won that race by 7 lengths and LM is much better than Borrego. LM's poor performance in New York is no more significant than Saint Liam's poor performance in California.

Your arguments are not very conistent. By the way, since you think those sheet figures work so well, why don't you look at LM's sheet figures. I don't even know what his figures are, but I can guarantee that he has run faster than all the east coast dogs that you think are so good. HE's run some huge races the last year 15 months. You swear by those sheet figures except for when they contradict your opinion.

WOW, Weak size on the can O worms opened on this thread. Hey, can we just squash all the BS and say Lava Man is a Gamer and he wins where his guys put him? Gee. He may be improving. Someone posted this may be the best spot to beat him after his troubled trip before, and he sh1t rolled em. :cool:

Say what? There is no bute allowed in NY. Rupert, you have been hanging out with Sandra Bernhardt too long.

That's interesting since when I've run horses in NewYork, they've run on bute. The rule is the same in New York as everywhere else. You can ask anyone on this board.

As others have said, I wasn't comparing horses, I was comparing how they were seen by the cynics. Analogy is not a difficult concept but it always seems lost on a lot of folks on message boards. Lava Man is the first horse ever to win the big three California races in the same year, the first in about twenty years, maybe more, I believe, to win grade one races on turf and dirt in the US. He's undefeated, clearly had legit excuses last year at Belmont and Japan and yet....folks go out of their way to hate! Jerry, who lacks common sense in most things, makes statements indicating his mind was made up about the horse BEFORE the year began...I guess if he does win 20 in a row including the BCC and god knows how many other G1's, he'll still be second-rate to him...usless to engage him further. Same with Coach...emotion over fact always. Some here just think racing stops at the Mississippi River, others just want to argue I think. Well, the horse is CLEARLY number one until beaten...nobody can see the future so that's a moot argument!

Rupert is right. I researched this last year.

hey if he wins the BCC with the top quality then yes ill have changed my mind, i said i dont care if he beats up on the same horse time and time again

Invasor had a tough time beating Sun King. Bernie will stomp Invasor. Not so sure about the Lava Man. Bernie hasn't had to dig in yet. We will see. Slew's grandson has heart and I expect him to run his guts out on Nov 4 (?)

Why? He has won three million dollars in that time. Who else in training has other than Electrocutionist?

LOL!!! Flower Alley, now theres a champion!!!! lol, Lava Man is 10 times the horse that one is! You want to talk about OVER-RATED!!!!!

there are horses in japan with 4-9 million bucks in earnings does that make them great as well

You only kiss shieks asses? Wow!

Now that depends, are you talking about US dollars or Japanese yen?

Thern why doesn't it say B in the PPs?

They just denote it differently in New York. I guess back there they consider no bute on race day meaning no bute. But there's no bute on race day anywhere. You have to give it the day before.