So now your opinion constitutes proof? What expertise do you have in this area where your opinion trumps everyone elses? I don't have much of an opinion because i simply dont know what is really going on nor do I know if 7 terrorists captured is a handful or a lot but it seems that your opinion isnt backed by anyone else who may be an expert or at least have strong convictions in the area.

fyi the kid thats going i know just got out of basic..not exactly crack troops

The Clintons pursued everything they could as far as they could, including the first to release the Rev. Wright stuff (I thought if I'm remembering right), Ayers, and birth certificate nonsense.

No, my opinion doesn't constitute "proof", it constitutes my opinion, and seven dead or arrested terrorists, including two important AQ internationals, stands directly and obviously in contrast to the "he doesn't act on terrorism, he's a *****" type of thought.

How many terrorists dead would prove to you that Obama is seriously and aggressively pursing terrorism across the globe?

(you took your white flag back, I see ;)

sure they did. why wouldn't they? i always find the primary season to be hilarious-with each candidate thumping the other-and then they all make nice when one gets the nomination. hilarious.

My absolutely favorite commentary on the Presidential primary and the candidates by JibJab:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adc3MSS5Ydc

so your talking out your azz.....No, my opinion doesn't constitute "proof", it constitutes my opinion

So now you are telling us what we think? Show me where i criticized Obama on Terror in this thread? You still havent provided any real backing for your statement.

Four more years!!
:D

I said Obama has gotten more AQ terrorists in the past year than Bush did his last five. And I listed them.

You guys got anything specific about what Bush's AQ terrorist kill-arrest count in Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. for his past five years in office are, bring it out.

In a landslide :D

You make the statement that "Obama got more terrorists in the last year than Bush got in the last 5" yet dont have the number for Bush's years?



You seriously think over the last 5 years there werent more than 7 Al Queda terrorists captured or killed? I mean really?

Nevertheless, since our last summary, there are 53 leaders in the al-Qaeda Iraq terrorist network that have been captured or killed.

That was a one month period in March-April last year

http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?op...510&Itemid=128

Can't find evidence of many. You were the one that said it was beyond obvious. So ... ?

Where are you looking? it took all of 2 minutes to find 53 captured/killed in one month last year. Here is another top guy caught in Afganistan

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/..._qaeda_le.html

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...al_masri_a.php

Another top guy in 07

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...al-qaeda_N.htm
Another top guy in 07

http://www.examiner.com/a-698843~Cap..._to_Gitmo.html

Here is his predecessor, caught in 06

Thank you! Now, that wasn't hard, was it? Yes, I bow to those numbers.

It is for Iraq, however. Can you find anything regarding Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, etc - where most of AQ defected to? (Edit, saw your other posts).

I searched on AQ capture killed US and the years!

From a May 08 story. Refutes what you were saying about Bush not pursuing in other countries.


May 1 (Reuters) - U.S. war planes killed Aden Hashi Ayro, an Islamist commander thought to be al Qaeda's top man in Somalia, on Thursday. Below is a list of major al Qaeda figures killed or captured since 2001:

AFGHANISTAN:

* Mohammed Atef, one of the top leaders of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network, was killed in a U.S. air strike in Afghanistan in November 2001.

* Abu Laith al-Libi, one of Osama bin Laden's top lieutenants who commanded militant forces in Afghanistan, was killed in February 2008 in a suspected U.S. missile strike that also killed up to 13 foreign militants.

ALGERIA:

* Hareg Zoheir, the deputy chief of al Qaeda's North Africa wing, was killed along with two other rebels in a gun battle with Algerian troops in October 2007.

IRAQ:

* Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, al Qaeda's leader in Iraq, was killed in a U.S. air raid in June 2006.

* U.S. forces killed Muhammed Abdullah Abbas al-Issawi, described as a security emir for al Qaeda in Iraq, in April 2007.

* The U.S. military killed Muharib Abdul Latif al-Jubouri, an al-Qaeda figure accused of involvement in the kidnapping of American journalist Jill Carroll, in May 2007.

* Police killed Mohammed Yahya al-Rahmani, known as Abu Mussab, and three foreign militants near Samarra in Feb 2008.

* In April 2008 Iraqi authorities captured Nazal Sabar al-Jughaify, also known as Abu al-Jarrah, a senior lieutenant to al Qaeda's leader in Iraq, Abu Ayyub al-Masri.

PAKISTAN:

* Saudi-born Palestinian Abu Zubaydah was arrested after a shootout in the central Pakistani city of Faisalabad in March 2002. Zubaydah was operations director for al Qaeda and the first high-ranking member to be arrested.

* Ramzi Binalshibh, a Yemeni national and one-time roommate of Mohamed Atta, suspected ringleader of the Sept. 11 hijackers, was captured in Karachi in September 2002.

* Security forces arrested Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, al Qaeda's number three and alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, in a raid in Rawalpindi, near Islamabad, in March 2003.

* Musaad Aruchi, a nephew of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed with a $1 million bounty on his head, was arrested in Karachi in June 2004.

* Tanzanian Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani was arrested in the city of Gujrat in July 2004.
* Pakistani intelligence agencies and security forces arrested Abu Faraj Farj al-Liby, mastermind of two failed attempts on President Pervez Musharraf's life, in May 2005.

* Abu Hamza Rabia, an al Qaeda commander ranked the third most senior leader in the network, was killed in a tribal region of Pakistan bordering Afghanistan in December 2005.

* Muhsin Musa Matwalli Atwah (also known as Abdul Rehman), an Egyptian al Qaeda member wanted for involvement in the 1998 bombing of the U.S. embassy in Kenya, was killed by Pakistani forces close to the Afghan border in April 2006.

SAUDI ARABIA:

* Youssef al-Eiery, the leading al Qaeda militant in Saudi Arabia who was believed to be behind the May 2003 suicide bombings in Riyadh which killed at least 35 people, was shot dead by Saudi police shortly after the attacks.

Several of Eiery's successors, including Khaled Ali Haj, Abdulaziz al-Muqrin and Saleh al-Awfi, were killed by Saudi security forces over the next two years.

SOMALIA:

* A U.S. air strike on Thursday killed Aden Hashi Ayro, who led al Shabaab militants blamed for attacks on government troops and their Ethiopian allies.

YEMEN:

* Yemeni security forces shot dead Yasser al-Homeiqani, an al Qaeda fugitive, in southern Yemen in January 2007

ok so the fact that the vast majority of terrorists left Iraq because of US success there doesnt count I suppose?

I agree, yes, it does.


Of course, we don't know if we have all the information, or if that information is true .....

i will have rock hard ten pick the pack through the playoffs..

:wf

We dont have all the info however the info that we do have shows that your premise was incorrect when based upon known data.

Yes, as I said, I agree.

I was making fun of your argument about the incidents I posted possibly not being true.

:$:

Absolutely :tro: :wf

have him pick against the terrorist. i laugh at the whole sorry situation. lets see..there were about 10 million people traveling during the holiday and one moron got on a plane with the equivelant of a bag of microwave popcorn. yeah, these guys are good.....:zz: . it causes a national uprising for weeks. we will spend another trillion being scared, blame this guy or the guy before or maybe my daddy is going to hold my hand through life because the world is such a perfect place. i don't know if people are cowards or just plain morons. but i get a kick out of c-span when some goober calls in and says the "terrorist" are going to get us, of course the guy lives in east bum arkansas. yeah buddy, take cover they're coming for you. the hysteria, the media and the politicians reactions are hilarious too. excuse me , i got to go out and buy plastic sheeting, ductape and a gas mask....lol:rolleyes:

They play this up so "We the People" will give them more of our power and freedom. As long as Napolatano is surprised by Al Quadas "determination" we won't be able to count on our Big Brother Govt. to protect anything.

Just read this guy is going to be offered a plea deal in exchange for info on his contacts. Oh Boy!
http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article...s_not_guilty/1
We are kinder and gentler now. None of that nasty waterboarding for this guy. They should have withheld his pain meds to get his "cooperation". He would have been spilling his guts.

That's why it's called "terrorism" :rolleyes: You're right, we shouldn't feed into it. Ireland used to just get on with their daily lives, as we should. That's why I'm glad to see underwear bomber being treated like a common trashy criminal in the locked silence and stern view of a federal court (no public platform there opportunity there), versus being elevated to some attempted martyr jihad warrior.

Some news org was replaying Osama bin Laden talking from back just after 9-11, saying how he was going to distract the US by threat of attack, and hound us into bankruptcy.

The kid apparently has been spilling his guts freely, talking about other attacks pending (why Obama immediately changed security to profiling). Heard on news tonight the FBI is already in Ghana, looking for who trained him.

Reid (shoebomber) pleaded guilty to less numerous, and lesser charges, this kid has more charges, more serious charges (terrorism, etc). This kid will get one life in prison sentence via plea rather than four concurrent ones.

you are so right. they can't beat us. they can kill some of us but we can CRUSH them. the thing is they know this but we don't. they know the best way of beating us is SCARING us into bankruptcy or worse losing our freedom because cowards out there will fold. don't get me wrong 9/11 was bad, but c'mon box cutters and our own planes. the government should just fess up, at the time our airport security SUCKED....thats how they did it. don't make a bunch of criminal, cowardly morons hiding in sh^tholes out to be the threat of the world. i'm glad some are being tried here, drag their asses down through times square for all i care, handcuffed and shackled for the world to see. this being afraid of them is just BS nonsense. one moron was on tv saying we should use the word terrorist more....for what...to scare the old ladies and fools out there. i might get hit by a drunk driver today or lightning or a heart attack or about a million things but getting killed by one of these idiots is probably at the bottom of the list. yet, some crybaby will be complaining about "terrorist" as they light another cigerette or take another pill.....yeah, you better worry about those terrorist you also weigh about 300 pounds you moron!!!!!!! THE MESSAGE SHOULD OF BEEN, WE WILLL INCREASE OUR SECURITY, HUNT YOU DOWN LIKE DOGS AND CHANGE NOTHI NG ABOUT THE WAY WE LIVE. THAT WOULD BE LEADERSHIP. INSTEAD WE GET, GO SHOPPING FROM THE FIRST GUY AND SPEND (LIVES) and A TRILLION IN IRAQ AND FROM THE OTHER GUY ITS "WE ARE WORKING ON IT", THIS IS 8 YEARS LATER. does anyone ever wonder what kind of people we vote for? oh yeah and don't forget about all of those other "CORRUPT" countries out there, none of that here......lol

had they treated him as an enemy combatant (war on terror and all that) they wouldn't have had to read him miranda, and he wouldn't have been able to lawyer up-he'd have been sent to a military base and held like a soldier of war. but now we have him lawyer up, has the right to remain silent, etc. we may already have gotten every bit of info from him-but now it all will plod slowly thru the court system.

C'mon, that's not true. It didn't happen for the previous terrorists Bush tried and convicted - quickly - in Federal Court, and it won't happen here. Big deal, he has a lawyer - who has already admitted publically there is no defense. He's already talked, talked, talked, talked. He's going down, quickly, into prison forever, goodbye, no TV for you, no attention, just like the rest of them.

You want to give him Geneva Convention rights? For Al Quaeda? Nonsense.

either this is a war, or it's not. we didn't charge every nazi soldier in ww2, did we? absolutely not. now, if it's not a war, what the hell are we doing in iraq and afganistan? if it's all criminally handled, then cut the bs and pull everyone out of those two countries and let them work it out. as for what bush did, your constant references to him, who no longer has anything to do with what's going on currently, are tiresome, boring, and a completely different subject.
also, we still have plenty of enemy combatants at gitmo and elsewhere. this admin is being inconsistent. if it's a war, they are combatants, if it's not, end the 'wars' overseas now.

Bush Bush Bush. Illegal combatants captured trying to commit a war crime against hundreds of civilians can be shot under Geneva Convention. It's their right.

it's funny when i see people say 'why should they get geneva rights'. i don't think some realize what the rules under the geneva conventions entail. it certainly doesn't offer the right to remain silent-all it does is hopefully keep things like andersonville from happening, or the bataan death march. on the other hand, geneva has rules about dealing with soldiers in a military court; it doens't give them u.s. constitutional rights- i doubt you read miranda to every soldier who is captured!

also, under geneva, enemy combatants can be held til the end of the war. no trial, no jury; they just sit and wait for the end of the fighting. this guy could have been put under lock and key and kept there without any more press, no trial, no lawyers, no headlines-in other words, no attention like he will garner now. and what if, god forbid, he was to be set free under a technicality?! lol yippee, deported to try again.

Which country have we declared war upon?

What country are we at war with?

Illegal activities in the past eight years? Ring a bell?

Yeah, Bush Bush Bush very successfully prosecuted multiple terrorists in the Federal Court system. It worked beautifully.