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Independent George 01-22-2007 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by stonegossard
Yes...he wins a TON of races at Delaware....and their purses are good down there..thats where the earnings come from.....lots of wins in mediocore races....and he rides all the good horses....his competition there is weak...outside of Jeremy Rose there aren't any half decent jocks at that meet.........it's like Russell Baze....wins a ton of races at bad meets....is Baze a bad jock? Not at all......is skilled.....but the guy has ONE grade I victory in all those wins.....

You forgot Mario Pino, most underrated 5,000 win rider in the country.

stonegossard 01-22-2007 02:07 PM
Man...and I thought I was rough on Mike Smith.......doesnt seem to be too popular on here.....getting put on a list with Juan Leyva and Eddie Nunuez....ouch

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-22-2007 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
There's a guy in Florida that brings new meaning to horrendous....R D Fuentes.
yes..c hill is on the bubble in ny..:D

stonegossard 01-22-2007 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Independent George
You forgot Mario Pino, most underrated 5,000 win rider in the country.
Oh yeah....Pino...he's ok.....but after that the jock colony takes a steep fall.....

Juan Umana....Kendrick Carmouche.....Clyde Martin...Nick Petro.........frightening

blackthroatedwind 01-22-2007 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
yes..c hill is on the bubble in ny..:D
I think he rides fine.


Plus, his valet is a good guy.

philcski 01-22-2007 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I think he rides fine.


Plus, his valet is a good guy.
CHANNING friggin' HILL has a VALET?!? I'm in the wrong business. Why God Why did I grow past 5'3"??

Gander 01-22-2007 03:35 PM
Jockeys will always be a funny debate. They are great when you need them to win and they come through for you, but they are so very bad when they lose on a horse you need to cash. I get a kick out of people praising a jockey one day, then a week later the same person calling that same jockey a bum.
Horseplayers are so predictable.

blackthroatedwind 01-22-2007 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
CHANNING friggin' HILL has a VALET?!? I'm in the wrong business. Why God Why did I grow past 5'3"??

Every rider has to have a valet. Some share. Who do you think brings their tack out?

Gander 01-22-2007 03:45 PM
I liked a horse he was on yesterday in the 7th, Mhera Maskey. Thought the horse was lone speed and would outsprint Mama Theresa. Boy was I wrong. Not sure if Hill didnt try to make the lead or the horse was just plain not right. It was the first time ever this horse showed no speed.

I held off making a wager on him because I felt 6/1 was not "good value" even though this is the horse that I wanted to play more than any other horse all weekend. I would have went in at 8/1 or higher.

philcski 01-22-2007 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Every rider has to have a valet. Some share. Who do you think brings their tack out?
ah, I thought you meant a valet, like a personal driver/butler/chef/man groomer extraodinaire.
I only feel SLIGHTLY better about my career choice then.

NoCarolinaTony 01-22-2007 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You don't follow NY racing at all....do you?

Mike Smith has been absolutely horrendous since coming back from the West Coast and " Mike Smith off " has become virtually an automatic play. It's obvious you haven't seen him ride but you could have at least looked at his stats. I'll give you a hint....they are horrendous.

Jose Santos is also riding flat out awful right now and has the numbers to prove it. He is getting left with virtually every mount and getting in trouble just as often. Shawn Bridgemohan, despite hiring NY's best agent in Drew Mollica is also struggling for mounts and winning at under a 10% clip. His riding has been less than stellar.
I agree with you - Mike Smith off has been the play. I do have to give Mike credit for his "One Good" ride in "06" on Noble Stella on closing day at the SPA. Gave me my biggets score of the meet for one race and set up the final P4 of the meet for me($7.9G's) so I have a little warm spot in my heart for him.

NC Tony

NoCarolinaTony 01-22-2007 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I think he rides fine.


Plus, his valet is a good guy.
C Hill being 18 has been up and down, but see potential there.(IMO) lately he's been riding just fine.

NC Tony

disappearingdan_akaplaya 01-23-2007 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by NoCarolinaTony
C Hill being 18 has been up and down, but see potential there.(IMO) lately he's been riding just fine.

NC Tony
liked the way channing rides since he was a bug, if he keeps working hard he will have alotta success in this game. i believe somebody else in his family was a jockey before

blackthroatedwind 01-23-2007 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
liked the way channing rides since he was a bug, if he keeps working hard he will have alotta success in this game.

I agree. When he first got to NY he was very mediocre, but very quickly he started to adapt, and it was clear unlike a lot of young riders that come to town he was working hard to improve his riding. When the turf course opened later, and he probably had little to no turf experience, he was awful at first. But slowly he started to improve. Not that he's great on it, but he clearly shows improvement, which is all one can ask for.

ninetoone 01-23-2007 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
I judge greatness mostly by how they've performed in TC, BC and other major races.

Prado was 0 for 6 in the Derby before this year.

Prado was 2 for 48 in the BC before this year.

But anyway....

Some people might also say that Barry Sanders wasn't great. After all, he never played in a big market or the big game. Whatever.

Oh yeah, 0 for 9 in the Preakness.

Not bashing Prado...I like him...just defending Ramon against those who apparently need a history lesson.


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