Originally Posted by brianwspencer

But in all honesty, are we talking about artists or bands? They're two totally different things, and Alanis Morissette does not qualify as a "band." No solo artists qualifies as a band, because they are not a band but in fact, a solo artist.

I think that Catie Curtis and Deb Talan and Edie Carey and Anne Heaton are better than many listed in this thread, but they aren't bands -- so I didn't add them in because that wasn't what the thread was about.

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Gwen Stefani is a solo act. I don't give a **** if she tours and has a backing band. THAT DOESN'T COUNT!

Gwen Stefnai as a part of No Doubt, is a BAND with a female lead singer. Because No Doubt is a BAND. Gwen Stefani IS NOT A BAND.

You're absolutely right Pgardn. Phil Collins IS NOT A BAND. Genesis is a BAND.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Wrongo. Alanis Morrissette did have a band when she was young. She played in a local dive. So its just when they become famous and their hits are with backups? So Tom Petty does not have a band except when it was called the Heart Breakers, and getting a new man at a position disqualifies. Or Bachman Turner overdrive is not a band, its just two guys with some sit ins? So what is the definition of a band? I think you see what I mean. Or when one person that was in a band is no longer a band when they play with other sit ins. So Phil Collins only counts when he played with Genesis? Is that what we are saying?

Originally Posted by pdrift1

how do you know how much input those other members have in the band and influence her? if they have input and influence she is no longer a SOLO artist.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

PG: You're right. Phil Collins is not a band. Genesis is a band. Just because Phil Collins was in Genesis, he is no longer a band when he goes out without Genesis. Then he is a solo artist. Phil Collins kicks ass, so he "counts" whether he is solo or in a band. That's the best definition anyone could give for it. Alanis Morissette having been in a band does not make Alanis Morissette a band. One person cannot be a band (except for that guy at Venice Beach who plays a washboard and stomps on drums while playing a harmonica and a guitar). It's simple. It's an artist (a person's name) or a band (a band name).

Examples of solo artists:
Phil Collins
Natalie Merchant
Laura Dawn
Nina Gordon
Examples of their respective bands:
Genesis
10,000 Maniacs
Fluffer
Veruca Salt



Input doesn't matter, they are not a band. Let's use Alanis Morissette again here. It doesn't matter if her band comes up with parts or influences the way she writes or performs....they are still HER band. She is not a band. One person cannot be a band -- it defies the definition of the word in the first place.

I can attest to this personally. I played plenty of shows with a band when I was in college. We gigged together, we worked on harmonies together, we worked on songs together. We were not a band. When the flyer went up it said "Brian W. Spencer." I am not a band. I can gaurantee you that. I actually even know how it feels -- there is no way no matter who plays with me or who influences that the name "Brian W. Spencer" is a band. I know, because I'm Brian W. Spencer....that's me. I'm not a band. I'm one person. The very definition of the word dictates that I cannot be a band.


It's really neither here nor there, and in the big scheme not a big deal -- but there is a very distinct, and for some people, very important difference between being solo and being IN a band, let alone insinuating that one solo artist can be a band.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

PG: You're right. Phil Collins is not a band. Genesis is a band. Just because Phil Collins was in Genesis, he is no longer a band when he goes out without Genesis. Then he is a solo artist. Phil Collins kicks ass, so he "counts" whether he is solo or in a band. That's the best definition anyone could give for it. Alanis Morissette having been in a band does not make Alanis Morissette a band. One person cannot be a band (except for that guy at Venice Beach who plays a washboard and stomps on drums while playing a harmonica and a guitar). It's simple. It's an artist (a person's name) or a band (a band name).

Examples of solo artists:
Phil Collins
Natalie Merchant
Laura Dawn
Nina Gordon

Examples of their respective bands:
Genesis
10,000 Maniacs
Fluffer
Veruca Salt



Input doesn't matter, they are not a band. Let's use Alanis Morissette again here. It doesn't matter if her band comes up with parts or influences the way she writes or performs....they are still HER band. She is not a band. One person cannot be a band -- it defies the definition of the word in the first place.

I can attest to this personally. I played plenty of shows with a band when I was in college. We gigged together, we worked on harmonies together, we worked on songs together. We were not a band. When the flyer went up it said "Brian W. Spencer." I am not a band. I can gaurantee you that. I actually even know how it feels -- there is no way no matter who plays with me or who influences that the name "Brian W. Spencer" is a band. I know, because I'm Brian W. Spencer....that's me. I'm not a band. I'm one person. The very definition of the word dictates that I cannot be a band.


It's really neither here nor there, and in the big scheme not a big deal -- but there is a very distinct, and for some people, very important difference between being solo and being IN a band, let alone insinuating that one solo artist can be a band.

Originally Posted by pdrift1

i think you know my point , i understand easily what your point is its just that i look at what you call solo artists and see and give respect to the rest of the band and and and dont let myself disregard them when i refer to them . just how we view it i guess thats all. some one could come up to me and say what band do you like and i would reply lita ford and i'm thinking of the whole group forget about her name , saying as lita ford the the band not i just like lita ford the singer by herself

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

If it's a matter of respecting the band, then I get your point. I guess that because I automatically respect the band, that I don't see it that way. But I get what they do and get what they're all about, as opposed to some who may not get the importance of and the crucial role that a band plays not only in artist performance, but artist development. I would never mean to demean those contributions.

So basically we're talking about the same thing -- you're just being more diplomatic to ensure that band members don't get the shaft ;)

Originally Posted by pdrift1

so what is MSG? lol

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

i don't get it. you mean like the unnecessary starchy Chinese food ingredient?

Originally Posted by pdrift1

lol no the mcauley schenker group

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

i got hungry for a second there.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

i got hungry for a second there.

Originally Posted by pdrift1

now was he thinking of himself being the axe grinder he is and being a brother of one of the biggest bands in metal or was he saying yeah i'm the main driving force but i realize that we are still a band and i want us to be known that way. like you said some fans have total disregard for the rest of the band. and he and you and i see it differently then your average fan . i used to play also and have many friends in bands and i see the contributions we all make even tho when they hit the stage with a band name alot of fans latch to the lead singer anyways, he always gets the attention and comes to mind first for most fans

Originally Posted by pgardn

Bachman-Turner Overdrive?

Tom Petty and the Heart Breakers?
Bruced SPringsteringer and the E-street band?

Annie Lennox is in the band The Eurythmics? She is/was the Eurythmics.
ELO replacable parts, Jeff Lynne was the band

I guess the problem I have is that some artists are the band, the other parts easily replaced and others are not.

Pure Band...
Rush
ZZ Top
Steely Dan (Donald Fagan needs his guitarists or its not the same)

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Petty is an artist, and the Heart Breakers are his band. When it's a name AND the band then it's a little tougher to discern as they are more of a band, but Tom Petty is still a solo artist in that sense. Same with Bruce. There is no Alanis Morissette and the Screaming Banshees....that would pose the same quandry. Luckily, we've been spared and she's just a solo artist.

The Eurythmics are a band, whether Annie was irreplaceable or not, a band is a band is a band. Look what happened to 10,000 maniacs when Natalie Merchant left. She MADE the band. But they were still a band, and they replaced her and the 10,000 Maniacs still existed as a band....they just sucked without her.

It's all in the name really.

Originally Posted by pgardn

So its a mess. I know you guys that are really into music could make my confusion even foggier.