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repent 12-10-2006 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
To be honest, I didn't know if the mile race at Laurel would be two-turns or not. But, IMO, a trainer can use workouts to find that out. It's not too difficult to simulate race conditions in a workout and it's not hard at all to get a horse to work two-turns. My main goal would be not to get the horse too drained before the big day. I've long disagreed with the theory that a horse has to run at 9f before he can run at 10f. I don't think the Florida Derby distance helped Barbaro win. I don't think the Arkansas Derby distance helped Smarty win. I think either would have won even if their preps had been 8-8.5f. I'm a big believer in the fact that either a horse can do something or they can't.

If I did want to see an actual race at two-turns though, I'd substitute the Lexington for the Derby Trial.

Laurel has a 9f oval.
1 turn dirt mile.

you obviously subscribe to the Sheil Mo plan for producing a KY Derby winner.
its working great so far for you guys.


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Cannon Shell 12-11-2006 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious
I guess that's not too surprising since I'm not a trainer. By the way, can u tell me which Derby horses u have trained so I can see the type of schedule u have used?

Despite not having any Derby quality horses I do know enough about training to know that it is NOT easy to simulate race conditions in a workout and two turn "experience" in the morning is virtually useless in regards to two turn experience in the afternoon. Of course you wanted a fresh horse coming into the Derby which is why your schedule called for a mile race 7 days prior? This whole subject is not really pertinent because different horses call for different schedules.

A lot of times the only schedule that matters is the one the owner plots and King if you are the owner, the trainer is in for a whole lot of trouble.

oracle80 12-11-2006 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Despite not having any Derby quality horses I do know enough about training to know that it is NOT easy to simulate race conditions in a workout and two turn "experience" in the morning is virtually useless in regards to two turn experience in the afternoon. Of course you wanted a fresh horse coming into the Derby which is why your schedule called for a mile race 7 days prior? This whole subject is not really pertinent because different horses call for different schedules.

A lot of times the only schedule that matters is the one the owner plots and King if you are the owner, the trainer is in for a whole lot of trouble.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Best quote ever was from Peter Miller, when he said up on being fired by someone, " i just don't think its possible to train from the office of a furnitire store in Texas".

Nascar1966 12-13-2006 08:51 AM

Derby Prep Route
 
I would go the Fair Grounds route. Lots of great food and I would have to drink at least one hurricane, skylab, and typhoon at Pat O'brien so I could get the glasses for those drinks. Besides that you have Mardi Gras and all the festivities leading up to Fat Tuesday, which I enjoyed when I was in Slidell. I think the awesome is why I gained some weight when I was living there. Nothing like some good old red beans and rice or a shrimp poboy dressed. Yummy Yummy!!!!


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