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joeydb 02-14-2016 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1055944)
Care to substantiate that statement?

In short, if the very enthusiastic and supportive Bernie crowd continues to see their guy win primaries, and yet, somehow, due to super delegates, he does not come up with the majority and the nomination....people could react emotionally. This is understandable since not everyone understands the esoteric rules.

Hillary got the same delegates for New Hampshire as Bernie, and he beat her by 22 percentage points. Do that a few times and this will get tense.

Now the reverse is true - if Clinton starts really winning, then the will of the primary voters in the states and that of the delegates will not be misaligned, and all will be fine in the Democratic party. But a misalignment is a possibility from where we are now, looking forward.

jms62 02-15-2016 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 1056289)
In short, if the very enthusiastic and supportive Bernie crowd continues to see their guy win primaries, and yet, somehow, due to super delegates, he does not come up with the majority and the nomination....people could react emotionally. This is understandable since not everyone understands the esoteric rules.

Hillary got the same delegates for New Hampshire as Bernie, and he beat her by 22 percentage points. Do that a few times and this will get tense.

Now the reverse is true - if Clinton starts really winning, then the will of the primary voters in the states and that of the delegates will not be misaligned, and all will be fine in the Democratic party. But a misalignment is a possibility from where we are now, looking forward.

I agree with what you are saying regarding the rules but I don't see much fire in the belly of Bernie Supporters. They are too busy Tweeting, taking selfies and hooking up on Tinder.

joeydb 02-15-2016 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1056318)
I agree with what you are saying regarding the rules but I don't see much fire in the belly of Bernie Supporters. They are too busy Tweeting, taking selfies and hooking up on Tinder.

Of course you could be right, especially when it comes to the amount of motivation they might or might not have.

Here is an article that asserts that the situation is at least getting some attention:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...mocrats-219286

Danzig 02-15-2016 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 1056289)
In short, if the very enthusiastic and supportive Bernie crowd continues to see their guy win primaries, and yet, somehow, due to super delegates, he does not come up with the majority and the nomination....people could react emotionally. This is understandable since not everyone understands the esoteric rules.

Hillary got the same delegates for New Hampshire as Bernie, and he beat her by 22 percentage points. Do that a few times and this will get tense.

Now the reverse is true - if Clinton starts really winning, then the will of the primary voters in the states and that of the delegates will not be misaligned, and all will be fine in the Democratic party. But a misalignment is a possibility from where we are now, looking forward.

I guess you missed the details in the article regarding superdelegates and that of course they could end up sanders'?

GenuineRisk 02-15-2016 08:02 PM

I really enjoyed this piece by Gawker writer Tom Scocca about his first-hand and varying-degrees-of-second-hand encounters with the Clintons:

http://gawker.com/my-conflict-1758741736

joeydb 02-16-2016 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1056340)
I guess you missed the details in the article regarding superdelegates and that of course they could end up sanders'?

Of course they might, but as of right now there is a conflict between the apparent will of the people of the party and the superdelegates. Everything I pointed out was predicated on that continuing too long.

joeydb 02-16-2016 02:29 PM


OldDog 04-01-2016 01:23 PM

Hillary loses it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO-sgjJ36eo

Really? Sick that Democrats won't simply give her the crown?

jms62 04-01-2016 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1060833)
Hillary loses it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO-sgjJ36eo

Really? Sick that Democrats won't simply give her the crown?

If that is your definition of someone losing it you have led a VERY VERY sheltered life.. And I can't stand the lady cause her and her husband epitomizes those using government office to enrich themselves.

OldDog 04-01-2016 03:39 PM

Indeed. Presidential candidate shaking hands on a rope line furrows brow, raises voice and jabs finger. Classic Bubba technique, including obfuscation and straw man attacks.

Wait . . . having a flashback

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CzteDucRHo

richard burch 04-02-2016 12:46 AM

FBI is going to take her down.

joeydb 05-10-2016 10:32 PM


OldDog 05-11-2016 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 1060893)
FBI is going to take her down.

They have to go through the DOJ, which is solidly behind Hillary.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/hillary...ent-employees/

Rudeboyelvis 05-11-2016 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1064201)
They have to go through the DOJ, which is solidly behind Hillary.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/hillary...ent-employees/

Not so fast. Sanders has won 19 states, while Hillary's unfavorable numbers - particularly with working class white males (who vote, religiously), are at an all time high for a Dem candidate.

This is getting more real every single day, this notion that she will be trounced by Trump in the swing states.

Would not be shocked in the least to see DNC go to Obama, tell him it's time, Lynch then gets the nod and the DOJ moves forward, by the Democratic Party's hand - in order to install Biden at the Dem Convention to fight it out with Sanders...and you know who wins that (Spoiler - Not feeling the Bern).

If I were Trump's campaign, I would have a back up game plan for Biden to come out of Philly with the candidacy.

Pants II 05-11-2016 12:07 PM

Ok she visited the bluegrass state yesterday and brought with her tornadoes, hail, and flooding.

And a crowd of maybe 80 people.

Danzig 05-11-2016 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1064201)
They have to go through the DOJ, which is solidly behind Hillary.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/hillary...ent-employees/

how in the hell how have we gotten to the point of it being her or trump?!
what a complete cluster **** of an election. it's appalling.

Pants II 05-11-2016 01:21 PM

McCain-Obama is ok
Romney-Obama is ok

But Trump-Clinton?

Omg *ostrich running around with head off* :rolleyes:

Rudeboyelvis 05-11-2016 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 1064218)
McCain-Obama is ok
Romney-Obama is ok

But Trump-Clinton?

Omg *ostrich running around with head off* :rolleyes:

Shocking to see myopic, fat, lazy cows that spend all their time online railing about gender-sensitive bathroom policies and micro-aggressions whilst their nation circles the drain, can't get a grip on "how we got here".

Go figure. :rolleyes:

Rudeboyelvis 05-11-2016 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1064211)
Not so fast. Sanders has won 19 states, while Hillary's unfavorable numbers - particularly with working class white males (who vote, religiously), are at an all time high for a Dem candidate.

This is getting more real every single day, this notion that she will be trounced by Trump in the swing states.

Would not be shocked in the least to see DNC go to Obama, tell him it's time, Lynch then gets the nod and the DOJ moves forward, by the Democratic Party's hand - in order to install Biden at the Dem Convention to fight it out with Sanders...and you know who wins that (Spoiler - Not feeling the Bern).

If I were Trump's campaign, I would have a back up game plan for Biden to come out of Philly with the candidacy.

Feel free to read between the lines:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/11/politi...ss_igoogle_cnn

Pants II 05-11-2016 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1064222)
Shocking to see myopic, fat, lazy cows that spend all their time online railing about gender-sensitive bathroom policies and micro-aggressions whilst their nation circles the drain, can't get a grip on "how we got here".

Go figure. :rolleyes:

People who have had trauma from a Christian upbringing are the easiest to manipulate and control.

Add that to bad food, water, pharmaceuticals, etc and you get a big ol' Marxist pig.


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