Exactly Riot, you cry about accusations against Obama yet you are fine with a baseless one made by a Senator who has never released his own tax records. You are a typical lefty, hypocrite sheep. Do you have to ask for David Axelrod's permission to go to the bathroom?

Beats reporting on Dancing With The Stars, a curious name for a show w/o any stars. ;)

And I'd bet Valerie Jarrett knows what's in Mitt's IRA

or it will just create a bunch more noise that deflects from the real issues.

Do we really need to talk about things like his wife's horse?

well, of course. it's important! ;)

far more important than boring discussions about the economy, jobs, etc etc

Because he released a partial one year of tax returns, 2010, that shows he has $100 million in an IRA. It's not speculation, it's on his income tax return for the one year he released.

Does anybody here actually read the news? C'mon, guys - we have Fodder Of Xenophobes to spread fake news, we don't need to do it here.

Sorry Ziggy - there is nothing else to discuss - the economy and jobs are doing GREAT! Don't believe your own checkbook, or the decline in American savings, or the neighbors that have lost careers and have given up looking after 3 years

Riot has a ton charts that disprove reality convincingly!

Exactly what we need, Rude, more shallow broad-brush painting, with less specificity and accuracy! Yay! :tro:

You need to talk to del.. He personally has met over 100 people in the last couple years who came to this country with LESS than 30 bucks in their pockets and are now pulling in over a million a year.

:tro::tro: Nice one, J !

Is that $30 American and 1MM of whatever their home currency might be?

Del wouldn't distort facts like that Clip...

:tro: :D

It's actually a pretty simple plan but requires a lot of effort. But here's how it goes. You determine a business you would like to own/run ie. a gas station, hotel etc. You work at that job, of course at minimum wage (to start) for anywhere from 80-100 hrs a week. By saving all overtime even at $8 bucks /hr comes to almost $17K/year after 2 years $34K and a down payment on a service station or motel. Continuing working those same hours now as your own boss making 30-40 bucks an hour thus saving between 51K and 108K a year. Reinvesting that money in yet more service stations/motels/hotels makes you a manager of employees and your businesses and you'd be able to cut hours and enjoy success. What's funny is most don't but cut back from 80 hrs to 60 hrs a week and take a couple vacays.

Remember one guy interviewed while cleaning hallways at one of a dozen hotels he owns what his hobbies are: He said hobbies cost money and he has none.

And on rare occasions I even come up with an American who realizes the dream thru nothing but hard work

The "plan" of working 80-100 hours a week allows no time for sleep, or eating, or procreating, or ever seeing your children, but hey ... it's the American Dream to work 16-17 hours a day at minimum wage, be unable to afford a car, no health insurance, little food, no house, and have a spouse you never see raise your kids as orphans.

That's crazy!

What type of "goal" is that?

To choose to suffer under a centuries-old self-flaggellating weird Puritan work ethic of lifetime punishment?

Do you guys realize that there are 36 other first world, democratic countries in this world, where everyone's health care is covered, getting sick won't take your house and life's savings; education in college or trade is inexpensive and readily obtainable for all; if you are unemployed the government will support you at a non-poverty rate while loaning you money to start your own business and get back on your feet quickly; where people choose the job they love and want to do, because being a garbage man pays as much a decent salary as being a lawyer; where people live measurably longer than in the US, own their own homes, with healthier lives, far more free time, vacation time, earlier retirement, and measurably happier lives?

Where people don't wake up every day in fear of poverty, illness, starvation, unemployment?

Where did this angry, "everything sucks, don't spend any money on improving our lives" attitude come from?

Why is America the only first world country trying to go backwards as far as quality of life goes?

The whole point of creating a country is to band together as a society, to help it's citizens live a good life. Not be filled with angry, cheap, resentful, intolerate, unhealthy mobs, that has the highest rates of murder and ill-health in the world of "first world" countries.

Can you imagine if we had spent all that money for Iraq on ourselves, and our own country? On our health care, our education, our technology, our businesses? And no, that has nothing to do with "government handouts", it's entirely about quality of life, and what countries value for their citizens and themselves.

America? Is all we value in 2012 invading other countries to try and get their oil and ensure Haliburton has extraordinary income? While our citizens suffer in poverty, ill-health, and half our population is unable to even live basic, good lives? And the half of our country in poverty are attacked by the wealthiest and told to contribute more to the overall "good", while the wealthy own the government and give themselves more 20% tax breaks?

People should be able to work 30-40 hours a week, and afford a house, a family, health care, retirement, a good life with vacations and enjoyment and free time. It happens in many other countries, but not commonly in the United States.
Because we as a society don't choose that life for ourselves. We're one of the richest countries in the world - we could certainly readily afford it.

I concur. No one that has ever made more than 100K in a one year period should be allowed to enter into public service.
Everyone knows that the poor are in fact the most responsible and intelligent this country has to offer, they just need a helping hand.

Here's a good example of a lost hippie finding his way to the American Dream albeit with $500

The working years

And now

So for God's sake America stop bitchin, stop coveting others' money and get a f'n job!

34K down payment on a hotel or service station and showing 8 bucks an hour job and the BANKS will be lining up to loan you money...

You realize people don't always use banks? See above.

What I don't get is how you are supposed to live on $8 an hour while you are saving all that overtime money up.

You need at least $15 an hour in the US to have a decent life.

Hello? America? Other countries do quality-of-life better, and we can get back to that, too!

Because gawd knows, we lost the realistic American Dream possibility (where one dad worked and that was enough to afford a good life, while mom stayed home in the house with the kids, and everyone had food, savings, retirement and vacations) back in the late 1970's.

Dell's view of saying, "you can still have part of that, if you work 80-100 hours a week" is a cruel, absurd, destructive, terrible way to live. Better we work towards making quality of life good for all citizens in America, and return it to being the land of opportunity and good lives.