Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 737004)

You have no opinion. You have an agenda. You don't know a thing about the track. You are completely wrong about it as speed-favoring and a concrete highway. Period.

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 736047)

Seems a better fit in the Sir Beaufort (owns two turf stakes victories already).

I don't think the cutback helps him as he seems to be a frontrunning type. Having to lock horns with top class sprinter Smiling Tiger (who has faced his elders with great success in his last 4 starts--all at the top level) and perhaps Alcindor seems like a recipe for another brick wall collision midstretch.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 736124)

It's going to be interesting to see how Sadler's horses do on dirt right off the bat. He had little success shipping to tracks with dirt in stakes races over the last few years (1-14 in graded stakes, 1-13 in non-graded stakes) but of course, now they're in his backyard.

I'm going to bet against Twirling Candy. He became the ultimate California hype horse and is going to continue to be overbet because of it. Two romping wins against horrible turf horses doesn't make him a Grade I dirt horse, but we'll see.

Sidney's Candy is going to have to be awfully short to lose the Sir Beaufort. Hopefully after he wins people can start talking about how he reminds them of Lure again.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 737013)

Excuse me? Bull. You're the one being rude. I have no agenda here, but you sure have one apparently.

Yes, I like synthetics, but I'm excited SA went back to dirt. I'll be happy to take back the "concrete" remark as an overstatement, but yeah, I absolutely do think the track was playing fast and to speed today, especially after the 4th, and if you think my opinion is crap, feel free to bet against it. We'll have to see if they slow it down in the next few days after it's now dried out. You know, by maybe harrowing it a little deeper.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 737013)

Excuse me? Bull. You're the one being rude. I have no agenda here, but you sure have one apparently.

Yes, I like synthetics, but I'm excited SA went back to dirt. I'll be happy to take back the "concrete" remark as an overstatement, but yeah, I absolutely do think the track was playing fast and to speed today, especially after the 4th, and if you think my opinion is crap, feel free to bet against it.

Originally Posted by GPK (Post 737006)

*popcorn eating emoticon*

Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 736953)

What a day by Sadler!

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 737021)

I'm not being rude. I'm being succinct. Here's the CHARTS. The surface is fast. Every trainer there has said as much for three weeks. That doesn't make it concrete. And the results make it obvious that while fast, it didn't favor speed.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 737013)

Excuse me? Bull. You're the one being rude. I have no agenda here, but you sure have one apparently.

Yes, I like synthetics, but I'm excited SA went back to dirt. I'll be happy to take back the "concrete" remark as an overstatement, but yeah, I absolutely do think the track was playing fast and to speed today, especially after the 4th, and if you think my opinion is crap, feel free to bet against it. We'll have to see if they slow it down in the next few days after it's now dried out. You know, by maybe harrowing it a little deeper.

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 737020)

In what races specifically do you think speed was carried by the track?

Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 737027)

Do you think fast and speed favoring are one in the same?

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 737021)

I'm not being rude. I'm being succinct. Here's the CHARTS. The surface is fast. Every trainer there has said as much for three weeks. That doesn't make it concrete. And the results make it obvious that while fast, it didn't favor speed.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 737028)

I'll have to go back and watch the replays, but I thought The Factor (wow, exciting and speedy) was unexpectedly untireable" in the final 16th, I thought Arresting Officer, Smiling Tiger both lasted longer than expected, and Twirling Candy changed leads in the final strides to the wire yet didn't lose position (and broke the Bid's record?). And the final race (only watched it superficially) - didn't they go around from the backstretch home?

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 737037)

Longer than you expected? That doesn't make a track speed favoring. When I think of a track as speed favoring, I think of it being very difficult for horses to make up ground on the horses in front. I didn't see that at all today.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 737039)

Then, you, too, are free to bet against my terribly uneducated opinion. Or semantics. My opinion is the firmer the track, the faster the track, the less tiring the track, the more effortlessly the fastest horses hold their speed (while tiring) while closers have a more difficult time gaining round on them (all exhausted horses of dissimilar running style are not equal in the final two furlongs on a very firm track) ;)

And if you find out what my "agenda" is, let me know

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 737043)

It's not semantics. The results of today do not represent a speed favoring track. A fast track does not necessarily mean a speed favoring track. You seem to be confusing the two.

I think you should go back and watch the races, especially the ones where you think speed was carried.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 737045)

Do you think the track played equally fairly to all running styles today?