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GenuineRisk 10-26-2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 711205)
Well, interesting debate tonight.

Especially the video WKYT-27 News took before the event in the parking lot, a few Rand Paul supporters outside the event throwing to the ground, and stomping on the head of, a woman who says she's from MoveOn.org holding an anti-Rand sign.

Way to go, brave tolerant men of Kentucky!

Thank God those brave Republican patriots are ready, willing and able to protect women from Sharia law.

(Republican DT'er rebuttal post that the woman was asking for it in 3...2...1...)

Coach Pants 10-26-2010 12:57 PM

There's not enough info. This easily could be a setup by desperate libtards. It's not like the "victim" has a clean past and it's not like Conway supporters haven't used plants in the past. See Fancy Farm for reference.

GenuineRisk 10-26-2010 12:59 PM

Here's the video (hope it links correctly; YouTube is dinky on iPad)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbnEy...layer_embedded

clyde 10-26-2010 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 711375)
Here's the video (hope it links correctly; YouTube is dinky on iPad)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbnEy...layer_embedded

u-tubey dinky on i-pad?

There's a whole story within that one.





And will you kindly stop usng Suffy's dead donkey as your avytar?

Coach Pants 10-26-2010 01:11 PM

The sensationalist media has headlines of "Curb-stomping" like it was similar to what happened in American History X.

He pushed down on her shoulder. I don't know why liberals have so much trouble with anatomy. Maybe it's more of a dishonesty problem/win at all costs than it is about honesty.

Color me shocked.

clyde 10-26-2010 04:57 PM

go get 'im randy!!

dellinger63 10-26-2010 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 711205)
Well, interesting debate tonight.

Especially the video WKYT-27 News took before the event in the parking lot, a few Rand Paul supporters outside the event throwing to the ground, and stomping on the head of, a woman who says she's from MoveOn.org holding an anti-Rand sign.

Way to go, brave tolerant men of Kentucky!



I saw ONE guy step on her and many yell stop or call the police but way to group all men of KY as women abusers based on the actions of one. Amazing you stick up for Muslim men but not KY men. Actually it isn't amazing at all. :zz:

This has typical setup written all over it. Let's see a woman from Massachusetts, the daughter of one of New England's largest real estate developers, a professional protester with not only MoveOn but also Greenpeace, who has been arrested everywhere from Beijing China to New Orleans LA to Manhattan NY shows up in a blonde wig and somehow is attacked by a Rand supporter? Conway's camp has tried similar tactics before
.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4bpgnkNN7Q

brianwspencer 10-26-2010 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 711571)

This has typical setup written all over it.

Pretty impressive stuff to actually infiltrate the Paul campaign some time ago with a volunteer campaign coordinator just to wait all this time so he could step on a woman's head just to make Paul look bad.

Liberals are getting better at this setup stuff every day! This has to be one of the best plants in history!

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/26/...er-identified/

Coach Pants 10-26-2010 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 711667)
Pretty impressive stuff to actually infiltrate the Paul campaign some time ago with a volunteer campaign coordinator just to wait all this time so he could step on a woman's head just to make Paul look bad.

Liberals are getting better at this setup stuff every day! This has to be one of the best plants in history!

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/10/26/...er-identified/

I like that site. The first comment below the article is a libtard comparing the tea party to the Nazi party.

It's all so ridiculous. Both sides have nut-jobs. And two of them are center stage in this mess. Both are indefensible.

brianwspencer 10-26-2010 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 711669)
I like that site. The first comment below the article is a libtard comparing the tea party to the Nazi party.

It's all so ridiculous. Both sides have nut-jobs. And two of them are center stage in this mess. Both are indefensible.

Of course that's true.

But also completely irrelevant to silly claims that this was some kind of setup.

Coach Pants 10-26-2010 08:31 PM

http://www.courier-journal.com/artic...mping+on+woman

Reports of a Paul supporter's foot being stepped on. No video. I guess there's no video because she wasn't a paid employee for a right-wing website. So, if you're a regular of this horrible sub-forum, that means she has no credibility. The moveon trust fund baby does, however.

Coach Pants 10-26-2010 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 711670)
Of course that's true.

But also completely irrelevant to silly claims that this was some kind of setup.


Silly? Her whole shtick is to provoke what happened to her in order to swing voters to her candidate/agenda. To not have reservations about the validity of that video would be borderline naive.

brianwspencer 10-26-2010 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 711671)
http://www.courier-journal.com/artic...mping+on+woman

Reports of a Paul supporter's foot being stepped on. No video. I guess there's no video because she wasn't a paid employee for a right-wing website. So, if you're a regular of this horrible sub-forum, that means she has no credibility. The moveon trust fund baby does, however.

You can't be serious, right? My foot got stepped on at a concert last week. That kind of thing happens in crowded places....stepping on someone's head who disagrees with you after they get pushed down does not happen, as a matter of course, in public places inhabited by decent people.

After my foot got stepped on, though, I did call the police to file charges against the guy who bumped into me with his shoulder while he was dancing, causing me to spill my $6 beer and asked that charges be pressed for vandalism to my property.

brianwspencer 10-26-2010 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 711672)
Silly? Her whole shtick is to provoke what happened to her in order to swing voters to her candidate/agenda. To not have reservations about the validity of that video would be borderline naive.

How does one provoke someone to step on their head? Provocation for votes is one thing that I'm not particularly fond of, but it's not like you can just provoke someone into throwing you to the ground and stepping on your head when you're already completely neutralized.

You know what would have kept her from getting her head stepped on? Not a lack of provocation on her part, but if there wasn't someone around who was willing to step on a woman's head. That whole personal responsibility thing that conservatives pretend to love rears its ugly head again.

Oops.

Coach Pants 10-26-2010 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 711673)
You can't be serious, right? My foot got stepped on at a concert last week. That kind of thing happens in crowded places....stepping on someone's head who disagrees with you after they get pushed down does not happen, as a matter of course, in public places inhabited by decent people.

After my foot got stepped on, though, I did call the police to file charges against the guy who bumped into me with his shoulder while he was dancing, causing me to spill my $6 beer and asked that charges be pressed for vandalism to my property.

Yes because that scenario is exactly the same as what happened to her.

Coach Pants 10-26-2010 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 711674)
How does one provoke someone to step on their head? Provocation for votes is one thing that I'm not particularly fond of, but it's not like you can just provoke someone into throwing you to the ground and stepping on your head when you're already completely neutralized.

You know what would have kept her from getting her head stepped on? Not a lack of provocation on her part, but if there wasn't someone around who was willing to step on a woman's head. That whole personal responsibility thing that conservatives pretend to love rears its ugly head again.

Oops.

Dude you're being dense just to be right. Or maybe you are a complete idiot. Who knows. Don't care enough to continue this conversation with a simplistic robot.

brianwspencer 10-26-2010 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 711676)
Dude you're being dense just to be right. Or maybe you are a complete idiot. Who knows. Don't care enough to continue this conversation with a simplistic robot.

Dense? Would her head have been stepped on when she was in an unthreatening position if there wasn't some jackhole around who was willing to step on her head?

That's simplistic, of course. But the main reason why is that the reason is SIMPLE, so by nature, it's a simplistic argument.

Her head didn't go get itself stepped on. Or maybe it did, and I'm too simple and dense to understand how those kinds of things happen. I don't care if she has a concussion or whether she just had to experience it...it's pretty wild watching you make excuses for public violence towards a woman just because "both sides have crazy people."

And I'm the dense and simplistic one. Sheesh.

Riot 10-26-2010 09:01 PM

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I saw ONE guy step on her and many yell stop or call the police but way to group all men of KY as women abusers based on the actions of one. Amazing you stick up for Muslim men but not KY men. Actually it isn't amazing at all. :zz:
See, this is what is so frustrating about this board. That so many simply just. can't. read.

I called "the few Rand Paul supporters" (not everyone) involved "brave, tolerant" = not at all of other people's political views.

Was that so hard? To read exactly what I wrote, Dell, and not something you make up in your head? Woman abusers? You'd just pull that out of your butt?

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This has typical setup written all over it.
This is exactly what MoveOn.org has been doing this whole election to other GOP candidates. They stand there and hold up the RepubliCorp sign at GOP candidate rallies and hope to get the candidate in the photo. She was from PA sent in by MoveOn.

But guess what? Everyone has every right to be there and hold up their signs. Even people from PA sent by MoveOn to hold up signs.

But no, not according to these brave Paul supporters defending our rights and taking our country back!

One guy grabs her and pulls her back and down to the ground, then gets on top of her and holds her down, while the braver one takes a stomp on her head/shoulders.

Based only on that fact she was in their crowd holding up an sign that wasn't a Rand Paul sign.

You'll also notice that she was completely passive, and didn't fight being grabbed and thrown to the ground at all. Not one bit.

A complete embarrassment to Kentucky.

Coach Pants 10-26-2010 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 711677)
Dense? Would her head have been stepped on when she was in an unthreatening position if there wasn't some jackhole around who was willing to step on her head?

That's simplistic, of course. But the main reason why is that the reason is SIMPLE, so by nature, it's a simplistic argument.

Her head didn't go get itself stepped on. Or maybe it did, and I'm too simple and dense to understand how those kinds of things happen. I don't care if she has a concussion or whether she just had to experience it...it's pretty wild watching you make excuses for public violence towards a woman just because "both sides have crazy people."

And I'm the dense and simplistic one. Sheesh.

So now it's acceptable behavior to put on a wig, make a sign with bad liberal humor, travel from Massachusetts on company dime, and have a gotcha moment with a politician?

Consequences for actions, Brian. Not everything is cut and dry in the wild. There are laws but the government hasn't put a chip in our heads to remind us how to behave. If they did this incident would of never have happened.

It happened. You have two people with a financial interest in the election. Their livelihoods will benefit if their candidate gets elected. These people are desperate. This isn't some Utopia we're in right now and if you aren't aware of your actions in public and you don't realize the consequences then there is a chance you will end up on the ground with a foot on your shoulder.

And I'm giving MoveOn.org the benefit of the doubt here. They can't be so retarded that they've never considered their actions could lead to an occasional physical altercation.

Of course I could be the naive one and maybe the Repubcorp sign or whatever the f.uck it said was all they were going for. But then I'd have to sniff lots of gas for that to happen so I'll go with the first one.

brianwspencer 10-26-2010 09:32 PM

Well we completely disagree on that. It's not Utopian to think that people should be able to control themselves and behave like human beings, even if provoked (and hilariously enough, especially when that provocation involves a wig and holding a sign....some extreme provocation in the big picture, we agree on that, at least).

It's the same exact argument in a different sphere that women should be aware of what they wear in public and how much they drink so they don't get raped by people prone to raping women and trying to blame their outfit or intoxication for forcing them to grab the woman off a street and force them into an alley.

These things happen because there is someone willing to do them, not because someone wore a short skirt, or wore a wig and held a sign to get a gotcha moment with a politician. That's just absolving people of personal responsibility and the duty to have some common decency and self-restraint towards other people.

The absence of people who were willing to be violent towards each other would guarantee that they wouldn't happen. That's not Utopian, that's the truth. If people can't control themselves and keep themselves from harming each other, it's THEIR fault, plain and simple, and passing the blame in even the slightest way to the person they attacked is horrid.

We can disagree on that, but it's hardly naive to expect people to control themselves, and in turn, expect them to take ALL the responsibility for it when they don't.


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