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tiggerv 08-10-2010 11:13 PM

AP Current Meet


Scav 08-10-2010 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv (Post 681473)
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Thank you

I can't find the information I found, I deleted the sent mail, but it indicated a major front end bias in 5 furlong turf races. I'll be able to get it again next week when they run a straight 5 furlong race again. Next two days there is no straight 5 furlong races.

tiggerv 08-10-2010 11:26 PM

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brianwspencer 08-10-2010 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 681476)
Thank you

I can't find the information I found, I deleted the sent mail, but it indicated a major front end bias in 5 furlong turf races. I'll be able to get it again next week when they run a straight 5 furlong race again. Next two days there is no straight 5 furlong races.

Please don't take this the wrong way -- but I'm wondering if you're confusing a sort of turf "bias" with the nature of 5f and 5.5f sprints as a whole; speed is a huge advantage.

Take the Arlington Polytrack course -- speed horses are winning 28.7% of all races run on the Arlington main course, but they're winning an astounding 40% of 5f & 5.5f sprints. Speed is a threat at shorter distances, but it's not always because a course isn't fair, there are huge race dynamics involved.

Scav 08-10-2010 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 681482)
Please don't take this the wrong way -- but I'm wondering if you're confusing a sort of turf "bias" with the nature of 5f and 5.5f sprints as a whole; speed is a huge advantage.

Take the Arlington Polytrack course -- speed horses are winning 28.7% of all races run on the Arlington main course, but they're winning an astounding 40% of 5f & 5.5f sprints. Speed is a threat at shorter distances, but it's not always because a course isn't fair, there are huge race dynamics involved.

I get it.

I got the stats from here (See Delaware Track Bias as example). Probably hard to see but when Arlington runs another 5f at her specific conditions I will get them again



Also, let me say that I am not trying to make it about Surfer, she is what she is, I never look at these stats but I happened to look when I was rewatching her race and I noticed the stats and thought it was odd

brianwspencer 08-11-2010 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav (Post 681486)
Also, let me say that I am not trying to make it about Surfer, she is what she is, I never look at these stats but I happened to look when I was rewatching her race and I noticed the stats and thought it was odd

Nah, I know that -- I'm the one who brought her up, because in the course of researching this for this thread, I found out that she was the deepest closing turf sprint winner of the meet.

That's not on you for me bringing it up, we just disagree about the nature of the Arlington turf course, especially in sprints, because compared to main track races at similar distances, it's remarkably fair, heck, even kind to closers compared to the main track.

clyde 08-11-2010 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 681465)



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randallscott35 08-11-2010 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 681858)
Actually, I meant that it should not be on a list of the fairest turf courses.

I don't know what the numbers say -- either historically or recently -- but by memory I believe that the course in New Orleans has always favored closers, particularly in route races.

Gotcha. I really started the thread for input since I don't follow tracks outside of the Northeast close enough on a daily basis to really know.

DaTruth 08-11-2010 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 681858)
Actually, I meant that it should not be on a list of the fairest turf courses.

I don't know what the numbers say -- either historically or recently -- but by memory I believe that the course in New Orleans has always favored closers, particularly in route races.

As the course becomes ragged over the meet, it doesn't favor closers quite as much as it does when the grass is higher. The movement of the rail also has an effect.

The FG turf takes quite a beating from the Jazz Fest patrons. The new irrigation system will keep the turf in better shape than it has been in the last few meets.


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