Morgan was a better player IMO.

He was great and I despised the Big Red machine.

Melky can be a bit repulsive

While there are still great races, cards, days, etc. the quality of top horses simply doesnt match up anymore in most cases. It is like saying that that a triple A game is the same as a major league game because the score was close. Both may be entertaining events that you had a good time watching (or even betting on) but when push comes to shove you know that the AAA game isnt the same as the majors. Horses like Einstein, while nice horses that are versatile and game, simply arent much better than AAA all stars posing as major leaguers. He and Commentator are far from great horses yet have had longevity which allows them to add to the their list of accomplishments against other less than stellar competition (for the most part) but have never been considered or done anything truly extraordinary. Our society loves lists and all time greats and other rankings. Racings current problem is that historically the modern "stars" simply dont measure up no matter how hard we try to accept the new reality of horseracing.

That's why they need to watch the older races and get an appreciation for the great stars of the past.. If they are only exposed to what's happening now.. they'll have a very flawed view of what greatness in racing is..

No, but even considering the changes in eras, I don't see how anybody could logically argue that Phil Rizzuto, Johnny Evers, or Bid McPhee were truly HOF caliber players.

All I know is that Bob Gibson would have struck out Skip Away every time he faced him.

Who's pretending? Should I submit the list?

I understand what you're saying, and don't completely disagree ( last year's Alabama was as good as it gets from a lot of perspectives ). However, it would be nice if people had a better sense of history.

Come on, Steve, you were as outraged as anyone when Jess Jackson was talking about Curlin being the best of all time. You have to be slightly less subjective and look at the bigger picture.

True but i thought maybe you were really old

He may have plunked him a few times too

Commentator is a laimo with a lot of talent.

Einstein wouldn't win a nice listed race in Europe nevermind a Group 3

Kip Deville is the Okie bred version of Lure I guess lol

Music Note is a plodding slug

Indian Blessing is certainly a worthy G1 filly and a pleasure to watch

Get a grip Steve this a a sorry list.. You forgot Premium Tap and Grasshopper..How could you?

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as for the latter, i'm thinking secretariat would have still won by 31.


there are two things todays horses have in common with the best ever. ancestry, and having four legs.

Freddy, do you have any hobbies that you actually enjoy? Besides call girls I mean...

Do you realize I listen to 12 plus hours of ATR a week watch at least 40 races a day.. I love racing as much as anyone Steve. Your love for the game is wonderful as is many of us.. How you can think that list represents anything special is disheartening. Could Einstein get with in 15 lengths of Candy Ride, Would Music Note be close to a Winning Colors. Kip Keno couldn't have qualified for the BC mile in 87..Miesque would have been hosed down before he got to the wire.. Come on and tell it like it is.. Racing hasn't had a real star that wasn't Media made in a while.. Mind you I loved Smarty to death but even he was a bit of a paper tiger.

Best horse I have seen in a while is Zarkava..Now that filly was a star

I agree with Steve. The "I was there" card is cool the first few times, and then it just gets old...and makes whoever's saying it seem old too. We get it, the newer horses can never compare to the old....move on already. Some of us appreciate the history, and there's always going to be the wing nuts that think the latest horse is the "best ever", without a clue as to the history of what they're talking about. Educating the younger fans (in a nice way) is the way to go, instead of alienating them...JMO.

All I can say is that when the NFL went on strike some years ago and they played a few games with replacement players, I watched but I didn't pretend that the players were anywhere near the level of the NFL guys. I wasn't going to sit there and appreciate them for what they were, accept that they were as good as we had at the moment, and be happy with it. We want to see the best. Simple as that. You can't argue in one breath that we can't compare the horses of today to the horses of yesteryear because they aren't as good as they used to be and we should just embrace what we have......then in the next breath argue that we shouldn't change the TC because it should be as it always has been and we shouldn't accept a watered down champion. Which way do you want it? If you are acknowledging that the good horses of today aren't as good as they used to be, why are you so intent on continuing to ask them to do the same things as those before? If you are going to hold the Big Brown's and Mine that Bird's to the same standards as the Secretariat's and Affirmed's, then how can you fault us for holding the champions of today to the same standards as the champions of the past? People argue that you can't change the TC because of tradition but then you are telling us to forget the past and accept them for what they are today.

have you completely lost your mind?:D Roberto was clutch!

i love Einstein! he just shows up and runs his guts out. does whatever he has to, to win.:tro: he's star that should be promoted as one.
we can remember the old days but try to root for the stars we have now. or try to make new stars.

I hope the NFL goes on strike again. Maybe the Skins can win another Superbowl.