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CSC	04-05-2009 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Thankfully the world doesn't always work that way.

I would love to know, however, how Stewart Elliot was chosen for West Side Bernie ( not that he should have won ) while Ramon was left sitting in the room.

Or Migliore. :zz:

deltagulf

04-05-2009 08:28 AM

also as was said hes only 19 and still learning. he should not lose the ride.
he did all the right things saturday.

ELA	04-05-2009 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

That's a very valid point, but also in this situation (with the jockey only being 19) they might be having these discussions anyway. And I'm guessing that the phone will probably ring a few times in the next couple of weeks to see how committed they are to Talamo.
I hope he keeps the mount. I think Andy said it best on the MSG show/feed. When he said that we all just saw something very special. I think he was right, that's one of those trips/races that people will remember/be talking about for years to come.

I think the way it worked out -- no discussion whatsoever. Like Andy said, it's rediculous. Depending on who gets in, who is out, and how the musical chairs plays out, sure, the phone might ring. Big difference between the two scenarios -- of course -- the horse won! LOL. The rest is all racetrack supposition.

If the horse was already in, and the jock made some real tactical errors and got jammed up big time, sure, the connections could start thinking. They might have something to talk about. However, that didn't happen. This jock played the cards he was dealt, played them exceptionally well and when it appeared all was lost, he was very cool.

Eric

HaloWishingwell

04-05-2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Left Bank

Maybe they should put him on Stardom Bound instead of Mike"choke boy"Smith.:eek:

Huh? Chantal is that you?

HaloWishingwell

04-05-2009 12:47 PM

I'll give Talamo some credit for the ride but it sure helped he knew the horse was already Derby-bound. That had to be cemented to his mind before the gates opened. I'm not thrilled the way he ran up and got stuck behind that pack the way he did but the horse got it done.

eajinabi

04-05-2009 01:08 PM

Talamo is not producing the win percenatage as he did in his first year. He started to slide when he dumped his first agent at So. Cal. However, right now he is on probably the favorite going into the derby.

MaTH716

04-05-2009 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

I guess you would have perfered a sweeping 7 wide move on the turn, coming from dead last on a track that has favored speed.

HaloWishingwell

04-05-2009 04:15 PM

I would have preferred him not being so close to that pack

The Indomitable DrugS

04-05-2009 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

I guess you would have perfered a sweeping 7 wide move on the turn, coming from dead last on a track that has favored speed.

The track certainly did not favor speed yesterday imo.

MaTH716

04-05-2009 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

I would have preferred him not being so close to that pack

Are you talking about when the horse got back in contention on the backstretch? Or are you talking about when he got bounced around in the stretch? It's not like he had the ideal break and was able to pick his position. I thought he did a great job putting the horse in a spot where he could win. I'm really not sure where else you think he should of had him.

SOREHOOF

04-05-2009 04:40 PM

I'm glad he rode the horse to win regardless of earnings. If he throws in the towel after a poor break everyone complains. That was the prep-race of the year so far.

MaTH716

04-05-2009 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The track certainly did not favor speed yesterday imo.

I actually only saw the Wood and Carter yesterday (obviously those horses came from behind to win). But I glanced at the charts this morning and it looked like horses on/near the lead were winning. But I really didn't take a good look at times, except I saw the Giant Moon race was a crawl.

HaloWishingwell

04-05-2009 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

I was thinking at his move onto the top of the stretch until he finally wiggled himself through the stretch.

MaTH716

04-05-2009 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

I was thinking at his move onto the top of the stretch until he finally wiggled himself through the stretch.

When he started to make his bid on the backstretch he went to the inside. He got to about 5th place at the half mile pole and there was no opportunity for him to get out until they hit the eight pole and then he finally shook loose. It actually looked like Talamo was very still in the irons until he found that seem. To his credit he was very patient and didn't try to force his way through a hole that wasn't there. But he really didn't have a whole lot of options going in to the top of the stretch. He was stuck inside Just a Coincidence and West Side Bernie.

philcski

04-05-2009 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

After spending the afternoon watching racing from all corners of the country....not many better options. Maybe Tony Farina?

I think all of the Equestrian Room knows Tony's middle name now thanks to me. :o

DaTruth

04-07-2009 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I wonder if his riding performance today was enough to cost him the mount?

Mullins won't care ... but I'm not sure about the owners.

Everyone made a big deal about Talamo when he posted those good numbers at Fair Grounds in 2007 before he left for Southern Cal.

In FG dirt races in '07 - he was 66-for-354 for a good 19% win percentage. However - his ROI of $1.36 produced a 32% loss on the dollar - double the takeout. Very poor stuff.

I haven't been all that impressed with what I've seen of him out West either - I think he makes Joel Rosario look like Jerry Bailey.

Riders mean very little overall ... but it's probably better to take one less likely to screw things up when you can.

What impressed me about Talamo during that FG meet is the guy wouldn't give up. When most riders would have folded up on their mounts, Talamo kept driving and that made a difference in many exactas, tris, and supers, especially in the lowly last race on the card.

Heading to SoCal was a mistake. He should have stayed on the FG-Kee-CD-AP-Kee-CD-FG circuit until he gained some more experience.

2Hot4TV

04-07-2009 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi

He lost his bug and that's when he started to not win as many races. Trainers are basicly whores and if a bug can ride they will give them the mounts, as far as his agent change costing him mounts,,,,,,,,well he made the right move by going with Scotty and time will tell.

Cannon Shell

04-07-2009 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

I think all of the Equestrian Room knows Tony's middle name now thanks to me. :o

Most of Lexington...

2Hot4TV

04-07-2009 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski

I think all of the Equestrian Room knows Tony's middle name now thanks to me. :o

Tony " I Killed Pincay's Career" Farina.

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