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Sightseek 03-28-2009 08:36 PM
They could also go into the Lexington.

Scav 03-28-2009 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Look, he got beat. The track is 2001 CD Derby which is sad but thems the brakes.
Yo Randall, what's up with resurgence, good to have you back bro....

Scurlogue Champ 03-28-2009 08:37 PM
The animal hasn't changed at all. The approach has.

Scav 03-28-2009 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek
They could also go into the Lexington.
If they were to do it, the Lexington makes more sense, but they are going to sit on the horse. They have probably a 50/50 chance of getting in....

Scav 03-28-2009 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ
The animal hasn't changed at all. The approach has.
The 'understanding' has changed, trainers and owners realize that by spacing out races, they get more efficient and productive runs.

Scurlogue Champ 03-28-2009 08:46 PM
The understanding of what? The animal?

Check the Australian Group One Runners and their PP's to see how inefficient and unproductive 7 and 14 day spacing is.

Scav 03-28-2009 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ
The understanding of what? The animal?

Check the Australian Group One Runners and their PP's to see how inefficient and unproductive 7 and 14 day spacing is.
On dirt or turf?

And Austrailian competiton and US Competition is about 10 times different.

Cannon Shell 03-28-2009 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ
The understanding of what? The animal?

Check the Australian Group One Runners and their PP's to see how inefficient and unproductive 7 and 14 day spacing is.
If everyone was doing the same thing then others would do it too. Since the guys with the best horses are spacing races the rest of the sport follows along. If you have good horses and start running back quick or break a few down you risk losing your business. If someone were to start doing it and winning, the risk would be much more acceptable.

VOL JACK 03-28-2009 08:53 PM
Beyers:
Dunkirk 100
Q road 103

Scurlogue Champ 03-28-2009 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
If everyone was doing the same thing then others would do it too. Since the guys with the best horses are spacing races the rest of the sport follows along. If you have good horses and start running back quick or break a few down you risk losing your business. If someone were to start doing it and winning, the risk would be much more acceptable.
Gracias.

justindew 03-28-2009 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
At what price? Do you think it's just a coincidence he's made 3 lifetime starts by May of his 3 year old year? They paid a ton for him and he's bred to be any kind. If the game plan was Florida Derby-Kentucky Derby, and he doesn't get in, you wait the 2 more weeks and run in the Preakness. He ran his eyeballs out today. I just don't think it's in anyone's best interests to rush at this point. It's 2009, no one does what you are proposing anymore and there is a reason for it. The game here has changed, whether we like it or not.
No one cares about the dumb Preakness.

Scav 03-28-2009 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by justindew
No one cares about the dumb Preakness.
Racing purists like yourself (supposedly) sure think it is an important race

justindew 03-28-2009 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Racing purists like yourself (supposedly) sure think it is an important race
I'm sure when Tabor and co. plunked down $3.7MM for Dunkirk they were thinking "this is our elusive Preakness horse, and he will avenge Thunder Gulch's loss."

Look, all I'm saying is that I think Dunkirk can make the Derby in a healthy way with one more start. And it would be a shame if he didn't make the field. I would run him in either the Derby Trial, Withers, or Lexington, in that order.

Scav 03-28-2009 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by justindew
I'm sure when Tabor and co. plunked down $3.7MM for Dunkirk they were thinking "this is our elusive Preakness horse, and he will avenge Thunder Gulch's loss."

Look, all I'm saying is that I think Dunkirk can make the Derby in a healthy way with one more start. And it would be a shame if he didn't make the field. I would run him in either the Derby Trial, Withers, or Lexington, in that order.
Most ridiculous, ridiculous, least ridiculous

DT: yeah, 2 races in 7 days, 16 furlongs, yeah, that is smart
Withers: Go from Florida, to New York, have to hit the board, then ship to KY.
Lexington: the most logical because of the 20 day spacing between the two, less amount of shipping also

justindew 03-28-2009 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Scav
Most ridiculous, ridiculous, least ridiculous

DT: yeah, 2 races in 7 days, 16 furlongs, yeah, that is smart
Withers: Go from Florida, to New York, have to hit the board, then ship to KY.
Lexington: the most logical because of the 20 day spacing between the two, less amount of shipping also
DT: I mean, I hate to sound like a broken record, but Don't Get Mad did it. Could also serve as a prep for the Preakness is they decide to skip the Derby. And it's at CD, where he'll be.

Withers: Isn't this usually a small field though?

Lexington: Bigger field, and new surface.

justindew 03-28-2009 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You're being silly now. I understand what you are saying, but it's just not realistic, no matter how many times you say it. Because they plunked down the 3.7 is why you don't push now. I realize how important the Derby is, but it's also not the end all be all. Do you think it's just a coincidence he's made 3 starts? Is it possible he's not the soundest of sorts? Your solution to that is to run him more frequently?
My entire argument is based on the premise that he IS sound and healthy. If he isn't, then of course they shouldn't run him.

Scav 03-28-2009 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by justindew
DT: I mean, I hate to sound like a broken record, but Don't Get Mad did it. Could also serve as a prep for the Preakness is they decide to skip the Derby. And it's at CD, where he'll be.

Withers: Isn't this usually a small field though?

Lexington: Bigger field, and new surface.
1 f'n horse in the last whatever years

Coach Pants 03-28-2009 11:40 PM
I think they should put him on the shelf until the JCGC. He looked awful tired and depressed heading back to the barn.


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