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freddymo 02-09-2009 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
Frankel isn't going to "move-up" a filly like that off of Paasch. That was Paasch's top animal and he's a good trainer. If anything Frankel was a step back maybe could toughen her up a little bit...
She won that Las Virgenes so easy it wasn't even close. She did it from a dead stop as well because the race got bunched up and a horse had her sealed inside prior to the turn.
I agree it wasn't a "wow" performance like some of her previous.
A eye catching 84 BSF.. I was emotionally moved with her brillance..lol

Indian Charlie 02-09-2009 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig

hey, run her vs boys-it won't hurt her. i certainly wouldn't have a problem with it if they try.
i wouldn't bet her either.

Running her against boys will end up with her dying a horrible death on national TV.

Danzig 02-09-2009 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Running her against boys will end up with her dying a horrible death on national TV.

oh, yeah...i forgot about that. :rolleyes:

10 pnt move up 02-09-2009 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
Frankel isn't going to "move-up" a filly like that off of Paasch. That was Paasch's top animal and he's a good trainer. If anything Frankel was a step back maybe could toughen her up a little bit...
She won that Las Virgenes so easy it wasn't even close. She did it from a dead stop as well because the race got bunched up and a horse had her sealed inside prior to the turn.
I agree it wasn't a "wow" performance like some of her previous.
I hope you understand I was poking fun at how poorly figures are when it comes to synthetics right now. I dont think she ran well compared to previous races but certainly did not regress as much as the figures show.

King Glorious 02-09-2009 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964
I remember Ex. Lady and fews years back. She was a great runner. Serna's Song and Silverbulletday Were also great fillies who looked like they were going to hit the board. I hate to bring it up but the last Filly who tried to keep up with the boys in the Derby ran herself to DEATH. I still hate that Larry Jones let the media and the owners talk him into doing something he didn't want to do with her. R.I.P. Girl we miss you!!!
I owe you a debt of thanks. I have always wondered what it was that broke down Go for Wand. Same with Flanders. Now I know. It was running against the boys because that's the only way that fillies can get hurt.

If running against boys kills fillies, why did the same Serena's Song that you mentioned win the Jim Beam and the Haskell? Why did Winning Colors and Genuine Risk win the Derby? Why did Rags to Riches win the Belmont? Whey did Lady's Secret and Personal Ensign win the Whitney? Why did Zarkava win the Arc? Why have Goldikova, Miesque, Royal Heroine, and Ridgewood Pearl all won the BC Mile? Why have Pebbles and Miss Alleged won the BC Turf?

Indian Charlie 02-09-2009 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I owe you a debt of thanks. I have always wondered what it was that broke down Go for Wand. Same with Flanders. Now I know. It was running against the boys because that's the only way that fillies can get hurt.

If running against boys kills fillies, why did the same Serena's Song that you mentioned win the Jim Beam and the Haskell? Why did Winning Colors and Genuine Risk win the Derby? Why did Rags to Riches win the Belmont? Whey did Lady's Secret and Personal Ensign win the Whitney? Why did Zarkava win the Arc? Why have Goldikova, Miesque, Royal Heroine, and Ridgewood Pearl all won the BC Mile? Why have Pebbles and Miss Alleged won the BC Turf?

Good post man.

However, your post reminds me of that old Bronski Beat tune "Tell Me Why".

Merlinsky 02-09-2009 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I owe you a debt of thanks. I have always wondered what it was that broke down Go for Wand. Same with Flanders. Now I know. It was running against the boys because that's the only way that fillies can get hurt.

If running against boys kills fillies, why did the same Serena's Song that you mentioned win the Jim Beam and the Haskell? Why did Winning Colors and Genuine Risk win the Derby? Why did Rags to Riches win the Belmont? Whey did Lady's Secret and Personal Ensign win the Whitney? Why did Zarkava win the Arc? Why have Goldikova, Miesque, Royal Heroine, and Ridgewood Pearl all won the BC Mile? Why have Pebbles and Miss Alleged won the BC Turf?
Now now, don't forget Ouija Board, Sunline, and Makybe Diva. If anybody could kick some male arse, it's the Diva.

King Glorious 02-09-2009 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
Now now, don't forget Ouija Board, Sunline, and Makybe Diva. If anybody could kick some male arse, it's the Diva.
Oh, I could have gone on and on but there's only so much time in the day.

Indian Charlie 02-09-2009 11:03 PM
Evita Argentina takes on the boys in that 3yo stakes coming up at SA next week!

They should probably have her obit written beforehand.

Merlinsky 02-09-2009 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Oh, I could have gone on and on but there's only so much time in the day.
Understood. :)

I figure Stardom Bound's different from Halfbridled and Sweet Catomine. I think she's got something there that could carry through if she stays healthy. I think she'll only get better if that's possible. Bring on the boys!

Danzig 02-10-2009 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
Understood. :)

I figure Stardom Bound's different from Halfbridled and Sweet Catomine. I think she's got something there that could carry through if she stays healthy. I think she'll only get better if that's possible. Bring on the boys!
i think she was precocious, much like both sire and dam....but i could be wrong.

what is it about stardom bound, especially after her 3 yo debut, that has you thinking she isn't going to be similar at three to halfbridled and sweet catomine?
out of all the top 2 yo's we have in recent memory, i think only indian blessing was able to continue her dominant ways...seems many of the top fillies at three start showing improvement well after the bcjf has been run.

Travis Stone 02-10-2009 07:57 AM
Fillies often develop faster than boys and therefore do not have as much room to move forward from 2 to 3. The list is endless of those who never really jumped-up the following season.

freddymo 02-10-2009 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
Understood. :)

I figure Stardom Bound's different from Halfbridled and Sweet Catomine. I think she's got something there that could carry through if she stays healthy. I think she'll only get better if that's possible. Bring on the boys!
Why?


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