Originally Posted by miraja2

You still have not given a single instance of a maxist/socialist scholar that is calling what Bush is doing socialism. You just provided three links from the Ludwig von Mises Institute which is about as libertarian and free market as you can get. Am I shocked to see them blame government intervention for the current crisis or complaining that Bush is really a lefty? Not at all. Am I shocked that Chavez took an opportunity to mock Bush (who he hates)? Of course not.

Are there a lot of scholars writing articles that say what Bush is doing is not socialism? Probably not because it is so bloody obvious. Again I ask you, look at the Socialist Party economic platform. I'm not talking down to you, I'm seriously asking you. How many of the things on that platform do you think George W. Bush (and his administration) would agree with? And then ask yourself the next logical question, if he doesn't agree with the socialist party on hardly anything, does it really make sense to call him a socialist?

I just think people like you and Sarah Palin love to throw that the word "socialist" around all the time as a pejorative without ever looking at what a true socialist actually believes.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Hugo Chavez called Bush a socialist. LOL. Is he not a true socliast?

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true


Do you have ANYTHING or just your own opinion here? I love how you keep trying to change the rules because you have nothing. LOL

Originally Posted by miraja2

I said marxist/socialist "scholar." Are you now claiming Chavez is a scholar?
Again, I say that if you want to know the opinion of some Marxist/socialist scholars, the only thing I can tell you to do is find them and ask them. Beyond that, I don't know what to tell you.
I have asked you a simple question, and you refuse to answer it....which is fine. We have had this lengthy and uninteresting discussion twice now and have made no headway either time. I have no idea why you decided to bring the topic up again in this thread, but it has ended with predictable results.
Neither one of us is going to convince the other so what is the point in going on?
I think you are wrong, and you think I am. Fine.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You are unable to simply admit you are wrong and take the defeat with grace. I think its funny. I give you a definition accepted in every dictionary on the web? You say the definition is wrong. You say "no scholar would call Bush a socialist". So then i provide links to scholars that do indeed call Bush Socialist. What do you do? You say they need to be socialist scholars and question Roubini as reliable. LOL

In the meantime, you have provided nothing except rambling minutiae. Do you have anything to back up your point? Any quote from ANY scholar socialist or not??????????????????????????????

If not, you lose.:p

Originally Posted by miraja2

Still can't find anything huh?
If you refuse to answer my questions....that is fine....I consider the matter closed.
As for me saying that no scholar would call Bush a socialist, I shouldn't have said that and have admitted so in this thread. That was a legitimate overstatement on my part.
As for Roubini, I called him a "generally resepected economist" which I don't see as calling him unreliable.
Again, my point is relatively simple. If George W. Bush was a socialist, don't you think there would be a lot of socialist scholars celebrating this great shift by the G.O.P. to socialism? You have yet to give a single example of such an instance or answer my repeated attempts to get you to explain how a man who disagrees with probably 99% of what a party stands for is actually the same ideologically as that Party.
If you choose to celebrate that as a victory in this discussion, I know of nothing else to do other than to offer you my heartfelt congratulations.

Originally Posted by miraja2

Now seriously, I'm done with this conversation. I'll let this thread get back to discussing your ridiculous hypothetical/blame question.

Originally Posted by Danzig

i doubt it. everyone understands trauma and tragedy, and a lot of people are affected. folks down here had relatives and friends there. i don't understand why people who live there think they have a monopoly on understanding how things really were.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

why do you feel this way? Is it ridiculous to think that there could be another attack? Is it ridiculous to think that the new administration would probably be blamed?

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Uh..excuse me ...but are you insane?



Do you know who she is?

Ever see the move Indiana Jones...the first one? Recall the girl who owned the desert bar and slammed down whiskey by the quart? The one who doubled as her own bouncer?

That character was modeled after Thebby.





Don't let those two giant mice of hers with the strange looking ears fool you. They are every bit as mean as she is.

I took this time to warn you.I hate this place.

So I hope you appreciate what I just did for you.



Don't ever question her again...or you will turn up "missing"....just like the rest.

Originally Posted by MaTH716

That's not fair Coach. If you lived in the tri-state area, there was a good chance that you knew someone who was either fortunate enough to survive that day or sadly lost their life. Not to mention all the police and firefighters that perished that day in the line of duty. They were from units all over the city. I personally knew 6 people that died that day. Many of the hats and shirts that New Yorkers wore and still wear were from fund raisers for the families of police and fireman. It was the most tragic day in the history of the country, the hats and shirts were all about showing support, solidarity, strength and respect. It sounds crazy, but it seemed that everyone in NY bonded together as one big family, to support and grieve with each other during that very sad time. The whole city mourned together for weeks, I will never forget it.

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Oh..one final thing,Dala.


Let her know you and CowGirlInTexas are good friends and that if Thebby is "interested" ( she will be---I promise you)...well just to let you know and you will be happy to make the "arrangements."


Don't forget to insert the ;) at the end.


OK....all that should really help you.

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

I think she's vaporized already Morty...And why are you dragging my name into this? :mad:

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Because Andy told me to .....;)

Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas

I like my own eyes as they are :)