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the_fat_man 08-12-2008 12:54 PM

Here's the evidence:

next 2 days on the turf

8 races total (not including the jumper)

3 sprints (5.5F): 2 clmg ($35k), mdn clmg ($45-40k),

5 routes:

4 MSW and 1 clmg ($35k)


NOW, that's QUALITY!!! what an embarrassment.


As for the sacrificing of one of the turf courses, why can't it be done?
Use extended rails on one of the courses and run on it when you'd typically take the races off. You'd have a course you'd beat up but that you could use for the rain days and you'd have a pristine course for the 'BIG' races (as few as these might be these days). The only reason this hasn't been done before is that, to the best of my knowledge, SAR and BEL are the only tracks with 2 turf courses. Put them to use. Stop wasting my time. WTF are we saving the courses for, winter polo?

parsixfarms 08-12-2008 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Herein lies the difference.....you think....while I know.

You highlighted the wrong part of my post on which I was focusing ("...when the condition book came out"). The Saratoga condition book came out on July 4. The Dwyer Stakes was not contested until July 6. To say that PJ "knew" before the Dwyer was contested that the Henry Walton would not draw a horse from the Jim Dandy makes absolutely no sense. To "know" that a few weeks later is believable.

Coach Pants 08-12-2008 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Because its a huge purse, he loves Saratoga and who besides Curlin would he have to face? 2nd place pays out a lot of money.

He has a tendency to fold like a cheap tent when he gets passed.

If I were his trainer I would run him at Monmouth.

parsixfarms 08-12-2008 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
Because its a huge purse, he loves Saratoga and who besides Curlin would he have to face? 2nd place pays out a lot of money.

Divine Park is a decent horse.

blackthroatedwind 08-12-2008 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
You highlighted the wrong part of my post on which I was focusing ("...when the condition book came out"). The Saratoga condition book came out on July 4. The Dwyer Stakes was not contested until July 6. To say that PJ "knew" before the Dwyer was contested that the Henry Walton would not draw a horse from the Jim Dandy makes absolutely no sense. To "know" that a few weeks later is believable.



Sorry. I was probably excited that we finally got some rain.

philcski 08-12-2008 01:17 PM

How many fully dry days have there been this meet?

I think the over/under is 3.5.

Sightseek 08-12-2008 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
How many fully dry days have there been this meet?

I think the over/under is 3.5.

At least 3, the first friday, Racing Hall of Fame Stakes day and last Saturday.

Gander 08-12-2008 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
He has a tendency to fold like a cheap tent when he gets passed.

If I were his trainer I would run him at Monmouth.

Monmouth would work. Either that or Saratoga where he just blasted allowance horses disguised as a stakes race. :zz: On a Saturday of all days.
Imagine that, we can look back on this meet in Sep and reflect back on who the stars of the Saturdays were and Fairbanks name will be front and center.
My, have times and racing changed.

SniperSB23 08-12-2008 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
At least 3, the first friday, Racing Hall of Fame Stakes day and last Saturday.

It rained for at least a few minutes that day.

Coach Pants 08-12-2008 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Monmouth would work. Either that or Saratoga where he just blasted allowance horses disguised as a stakes race. :zz: On a Saturday of all days.
Imagine that, we can look back on this meet in Sep and reflect back on who the stars of the Saturdays were and Fairbanks name will be front and center.
My, have times and racing changed.

It was a paceless race. He would be the bet against of the century in the Woodward against Curlin.

If Fairbanks is considered a star then mass suicides should be an option for racing fans.

philcski 08-12-2008 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
It was a paceless race. He would be the bet against of the century in the Woodward against Curlin.

If Fairbanks is considered a star then mass suicides should be an option for racing fans.

Agree 100%... and if Commentator goes he'll be the best bet of the year to finish last.

parsixfarms 08-12-2008 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Sorry. I was probably excited that we finally got some rain.

And to think in May that I was concerned about what might happen to my lawn because the sprinkler system was not working properly.

Gander 08-12-2008 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
It was a paceless race. He would be the bet against of the century in the Woodward against Curlin.

If Fairbanks is considered a star then mass suicides should be an option for racing fans.

A bet against?! Only an idiot like me would bet him. He'll be 30/1 in the Woodward. Everybody will be betting against him.

I dont think Commentator is running. In which case might make this another paceless race. The Whitney was paceless. They let Commentator crawl on the front end. Why does he get so much credit for that win and Fairbanks hardly any for his?

slotdirt 08-12-2008 02:11 PM

You know, I'm looking at tomorrow's card for Laurel and given its quality, I can certainly see why folks are complaining about the cards at Saratoga. I'd much rather have Wednesday cards filled with the $4500 claimers at Laurel than the horse flesh seeing the track in upstate New York.

TheSpyder 08-12-2008 02:20 PM

You know I started this thread and have not changed my mind, but, there are some good races. You may think differently but tomorrow's 6th race is what I like about Saratoga. Yes, it's a 35000 claiming race, but on the turf with horses coming off 6 different tracks. Some old ones coming down, some new ones coming up, and a puzzle that if you can figure out has tremendous value.

Spyder

Gander 08-12-2008 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSpyder
You know I started this thread and have not changed my mind, but, there are some good races. You may think differently but tomorrow's 6th race is what I like about Saratoga. Yes, it's a 35000 claiming race, but on the turf with horses coming off 6 different tracks. Some old ones coming down, some new ones coming up, and a puzzle that if you can figure out has tremendous value.

Spyder

I agree. Tomorrow's card is quite intriguing. The meet's 2nd half will be pretty great. So many big stakes to look forward to and the weather just has to be better.

SniperSB23 08-12-2008 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
Agree 100%... and if Commentator goes he'll be the best bet of the year to finish last.

Somehow I don't think Zito would run Wanderin Boy against him.

Sightseek 08-12-2008 02:34 PM

I thought both the filly and colt stake races this week came up better than in past years.

ateamstupid 08-12-2008 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
I agree. Tomorrow's card is quite intriguing. The meet's 2nd half will be pretty great. So many big stakes to look forward to and the weather just has to be better.

I'd agree if there weren't five two-year-old races. The other half of the card is solid. Thursday's card looks good, though I've only glanced at it.

alysheba4 08-12-2008 03:06 PM

i like the 2 year old races, but much like any race at toga its hard for me to put anything together:confused:


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