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Indian Charlie 03-25-2008 08:53 PM

ever a friend.

RolloTomasi 03-25-2008 09:05 PM

Latin American (Californian)
Drag Race (Del Mar Futurity)
Martial Law (Big Cap)
Lang Field (Citation)
Pt's Grey Eagle (Ancient Title)
Scrimshaw (Lexington)
Zappa (San Pasqual)
Pure As Gold (Bing Crosby)
Forest Secrets (Acorn)
Delegant (San Juan Capistrano)
Elmhurst (BC Sprint)
Mill Native (Arlington Million)
Caltech (Budweiser International)
Success Express (BC Juvenile)
Wild Syn (Blue Grass)
Big Ten (Californian)
The Groom Is Red (Champagne)
Tri To Watch (Champagne)
Gold Fever (NYRA Mile)
Coin Silver (Lexington)
Siphonizer (Del Mar Futurity)
Mongoose (Donn)
Roi Normand (Meadowlands Cup)
Moon Ballad (Dubai World Cup)
Matty G (Hollywood Futurity)
Wild Escapade (Hopeful)
Lucky Roberto (Hopeful)
Oh What A Windfall (Matron)
Ahn Duong (Matron)

The Lexington at Keeneland, the Californian at Hollywood, and the Hollywood Turf Cup (too numerous to count), seem like big offenders.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-25-2008 09:07 PM

Scrimshaw could actually really run.

He was one of DWL's finest pieces of pure butchery.

RolloTomasi 03-25-2008 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Scrimshaw could actually really run.

He was one of DWL's finest pieces of pure butchery.

I think he had a bad throat so I doubt he would have done much despite Lukas. I know his first couple of sprints were pretty sharp, including a victory over subsequent stakes horses Eye of the Tiger and Ghostzapper in a SA allowance.

You reminded me of Going Wild, though, and Ten Cents A Shine, horses of (looking to the sky above with my left hand at chest level) promise...without the necessary means...necessary means...of a higher education.

dylbert 03-25-2008 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Free Spirits Joy won the Super Derby when it was a Grade 1 race with a $1 million purse. He was 35/1 and rode the rail under Borel (who probably carried the same buzzer that day as he did when he rode Rockamundo and Seek Gold)

Best Pal, Olympio, and Lite Light were all in that race.

I think your buzzer statement is a bit over the top. I was there and watched race from apron. Fastest horse won, period.

Shippers like Best Pal from California did not like hot, humid conditions that afternoon. Free Spirits Joy was well acclimated to ambient conditions. FSJ was Louisiana-bred based at LaD. Also, it has been documented by others, such as Steve Davidowitz in his last edition of Betting Thoroughbreds, that track was packed, rock hard, superhighway along rail. Another testament is final time 2:00.4. Atypically fast when compared with previous 1-1/4 mile editions of Super Derby in that era.

As for Borel, Boo just schooled out-of-towners with his "home court" advantage of knowing that rail was lightning fast that day. Jockeys are like shippers because sometimes they don't like new surrondings.

Now, I do concur that FSJ is one of the worst Grade I winners ever.

SniperSB23 03-25-2008 09:43 PM

No takers on this guy?

http://www.drf.com/row/pps/bishopcourthill.pdf

philcski 03-25-2008 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
While not exactly the worst....the dams of Rags To Riches and Discreet Cat weren't so hot....

Other than PD's one insane performance in the slop anyway.





I think the most interesting thing in Better than Honour's PP's is La Ville Rouge. I'm sure there's not too many MSW's which featured mulitple dams of Triple Crown winners...

Indian Charlie 03-25-2008 10:16 PM

how can anyone not think ever a friend is an all time worst grade 1 winner?



page 1 on that link/document

http://www.santaanita.com/horsemen/s...egradei-pp.pdf

RolloTomasi 03-25-2008 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
how can anyone not think ever a friend is an all time worst grade 1 winner?



page 1 on that link/document

http://www.santaanita.com/horsemen/s...egradei-pp.pdf

Probably because he will be short odds to repeat his Kilroe effort in the Shoemaker.

GPK 03-25-2008 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
how can anyone not think ever a friend is an all time worst grade 1 winner?



page 1 on that link/document

http://www.santaanita.com/horsemen/s...egradei-pp.pdf


Im a huge fan of EAF...but never in a million years did I see him being a Graded stakes winner...much less a Grade 1.

Port Conway Lane 03-26-2008 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Latin American (Californian)
Drag Race (Del Mar Futurity)
Martial Law (Big Cap)
Lang Field (Citation)
Pt's Grey Eagle (Ancient Title)
Scrimshaw (Lexington)
Zappa (San Pasqual)
Pure As Gold (Bing Crosby)
Forest Secrets (Acorn)
Delegant (San Juan Capistrano)
Elmhurst (BC Sprint)
Mill Native (Arlington Million)
Caltech (Budweiser International)
Success Express (BC Juvenile)
Wild Syn (Blue Grass)
Big Ten (Californian)
The Groom Is Red (Champagne)
Tri To Watch (Champagne)
Gold Fever (NYRA Mile)
Coin Silver (Lexington)
Siphonizer (Del Mar Futurity)
Mongoose (Donn)
Roi Normand (Meadowlands Cup)
Moon Ballad (Dubai World Cup)
Matty G (Hollywood Futurity)
Wild Escapade (Hopeful)
Lucky Roberto (Hopeful)
Oh What A Windfall (Matron)
Ahn Duong (Matron)



The Lexington at Keeneland, the Californian at Hollywood, and the Hollywood Turf Cup (too numerous to count), seem like big offenders.

We have a winner.

Indian Charlie 03-26-2008 02:14 AM

dominican and ordway (druggieS favorite horse).

i'll cut wild syn a break because of his hard life at stud.

KirisClown 03-26-2008 02:15 AM

Tropicool...

Action This Day...

Ruler's Court...

Indian Charlie 03-26-2008 02:20 AM

as far as fillies go, hollywood glitter has to be up there with sutra.

and i most strongly disagree with ruler's court. he suffered a bad injury after his devastating norfolk win, which was just a thing of beauty.

i think that horse was going to be special. oh well.

here's a link to his 15 or so length win in 141.1, a stakes record, in 2003.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkT-LSMlBv8

KirisClown 03-26-2008 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
as far as fillies go, hollywood glitter has to be up there with sutra.

and i most strongly disagree with ruler's court. he suffered a bad injury after his devastating norfolk win, which was just a thing of beauty.

i think that horse was going to be special. oh well.

here's a link to his 15 or so length win in 141.1, a stakes record, in 2003.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkT-LSMlBv8


Bypassing the Breeders Cup for a trip to Dubai really did that horse wonders...

Indian Charlie 03-26-2008 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KirisClown
Bypassing the Breeders Cup for a trip to Dubai really did that horse wonders...

yeah, it's pretty well established now that they are idiots with their 2 and 3 year old american based horses.

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-26-2008 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
I can name a worse GI winning colt. Would that count?

wonder bred lady ann l:eek:

Linny 03-26-2008 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
how can anyone not think ever a friend is an all time worst grade 1 winner?



page 1 on that link/document

http://www.santaanita.com/horsemen/s...egradei-pp.pdf


Because Sinister Minister and the horse that won last year's Blue Grass are worse.

paisjpq 03-26-2008 01:09 PM

he's not the worst but he is my personal favorite.....Court Folly:D

Merlinsky 03-26-2008 11:02 PM

Is there a Saarland fan club here that's blocking that nomination? I was looking up a couple I remembered and while he only managed a G3, how 'bout another Lukas nominee, Buckle Down Ben. For the G2 threshold there's Fifty Stars and Spanish Chestnut. Not that they weren't once interesting but they're one hit wonders really, that's all. Does anybody care to sing the praises of Onion?

PS. I happen to enjoy Wonder Lady Anne L to a degree. She did beat Wait a While for a G2 and Pine Island for her G1. Of course not the fastest races on the planet but oh well..I'm rooting for Real Quiet as a sire so it's hard for me to vote against her.


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