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KirisClown 12-19-2007 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
29-1 or 32-1 in the Hopeful, as I recall. I was there. First blinkers that day?

I had to consult his PPs...

You have the right race, the right odds and the first time blinkers.. but... it wasnt Montreal Red, it was Wild Escapade. Montreal Red was about 3-5 in the Hopeful that year and finished second...

southerndutch 12-19-2007 04:08 PM

I know this is dating me,but I'm surprised no one has mentioned Hoist The Flag.

Diver52 12-19-2007 04:59 PM

Graustark in the 60's.

MLC 12-19-2007 05:48 PM

Sir Gaylord, injured before the 1962 Derby. I don't thing Buckpasser or Dr.Fager ran in their derbies either.

RolloTomasi 12-20-2007 10:14 AM

Not necessarily horses that would have won, but some who would have had a fighting chance:

'88- Cherokee Colony
'89- Prized
'90- Roanoke
'91- Olympio, Compelling Sound, Scan
'92- A.P. Indy, Bertrando
'93- Peteski, Miner's Mark, Colonial Affair, Strolling Along

Sightseek 12-21-2007 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
[b][color="DarkRed"]Gen. Duke.. 1957.

Widely acknowledged at Calumet as the best horse they ever bred.. including Citation.

Dixie would not be very happy if he read this....as we all know, the best that Calumet ever had (and that Dixie galloped and trained personally) was Coaltown.

cmorioles 12-21-2007 09:19 AM

I think Man O' War would have had a decent shot in the 1920 Derby.

Thunder Gulch 12-21-2007 09:34 AM

AP Indy is the one that seems obvious from the last 20 years or so.

How about Silverbulletday? I think she was faster than that crop of colts in the spring of 1999, and she dominated the Oaks in a faster 9f than the boys ran the next day.

RolloTomasi 12-21-2007 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch
How about Silverbulletday? I think she was faster than that crop of colts in the spring of 1999, and she dominated the Oaks in a faster 9f than the boys ran the next day.

She didn't seem faster in the Belmont.

Pedigree Ann 12-22-2007 07:30 AM

Hoist the Flag, of course - beat the same horses who were winning other preps, by daylight and with glee. And with him out, Good Behaving, who beat the same horses in the Wood and Gotham. But Good Behaving wasn't Derby nominated and no supplements in those days.

Buckpasser out with quarter cracks; Derby went to Kauai King??? who couldn't finish in the same furlong with the champion.

The Derby scenario would have been hard on Dr. Fager, like the famous Woodward where he was run into the ground by a rabbit. The Good Doctor wasn't a natural 10f horse; he won at the distance on his class.

One who ran in the Derby and should have won was Blue Larkspur. The track came up muddy but BL's trainer had gone to the hospital with appendicitis and nobody in the stable felt they had the authority to get him shod with mudcaulks. Slipped and slided to fourth.

Danzig 12-22-2007 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Gen. Duke.. 1957.

Widely acknowledged at Calumet as the best horse they ever bred.. including Citation. Set a 9f FL Derby stakes (and track) record that stood for 40+ years.. Split 4 decisions with Bold Ruler and would have gone off favored in the famed '57 Derby but scratched with a hoof bruise Friday. Developed the wobbles at 4 and had to be put down. One of the greatest tragedies in racing history.



this is the horse i was trying to think of. definitely a sad story, a star crossed talented horse for sure.


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