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Danzig 04-29-2008 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas
Apples to Oranges... Love that she has'nt been beat.. However I doubt anyone will ever call her a "champion" in the same breath as "Cigar or Citation". There will always be an astrick* because she never ventured out of her comfort zone of New Mexico. Personally, I think they ought to enter her in a nice stake race somewhere just to see what she is made of against some better sticks. Just my opinion and still on the first cup of java..so just saying :D

she runs in stakes now, and no, no one will call her champ or great. consistent on the other hand, absolutely.

miraja2 04-29-2008 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i think you're taking this WAY too seriously. the sun will rise tomorrow, if she wins or loses next out. 'better' horses than her will never have an opportunity to break the record, as they don't even manage 17 starts any more.
have you ever looked at the world records for various distances? how many are household names? how many can you name without looking them up?

What? I'm not taking it seriously at all. I just want her to lose. If she doesn't....oh well. But if I had my preference, I hope she gets beat. What in the world makes you think I am taking this seriously?
And obviously I am well aware that many other crappy horses have records. So what? Does that mean I have to like it?
All I am saying is that I would RATHER have this record belong to good horses than a crappy one. That's it. Why is that so hard to understand?

Danzig 04-29-2008 07:26 AM

i felt the same way about najran when he broke dr fagers record to be honest with you. but then came the realization that it took nothing away from dr fager that he's sharing the time with a lesser horse.

my miss storm cat 07-19-2008 02:40 PM

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/story/766691.html

sumitas 07-19-2008 03:30 PM

Super read and I hope she breaks the record. Nice to read about a very successful horse spotted at her legitimate competitive level. That really has to help her confidence.

westcoastinvader 07-20-2008 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
Super read and I hope she breaks the record. Nice to read about a very successful horse spotted at her legitimate competitive level. That really has to help her confidence.

Ruidoso Downs on July 27th. I'll mark it down.

I stopped by Ruidoso Downs in late May on a cross country drive from Gainesville FL to the San Francisco Bay area. It's the 2nd time I've been there, though never for live racing.

It's a beautiful little track in a very unique mountain and wooded setting in New Mexico.

Kasept 07-21-2008 07:28 AM

I've had Joel Marr and Joe Allen on the show several times during this run, and the two of them couldn't be nicer.. Have been rooting this mare along since the story came to light last year. (And of course I have a kindred spirit in Allen who has a rather famed Barbecue joint in Abilene...)

Pedigree Ann 07-22-2008 05:45 AM

Besides, there was a horse in Puerto Rico named Camarero whose record rivals Kincsem's 54 wins, racing back in the 1950s. He won 73 of 77, 56 of them in a row. True, he was running against a limited group of horses repeatedly, just like Peppers Pride is, not at what amounted to international G1 level like Kincsem did. Citation's record was accomplished vs., for the most part, top class runners, but it was a 'modern record' for consecutive wins if you only count mainland US.

Echo Farm 07-27-2008 11:56 AM

Unfortunately, Citation, Mister Frisky and Hallowed Dreams won't have their record of 16 North American modern day wins challenged today.

The track is unplayable due to flooding.

http://www.koat.com/news/17005517/detail.html

HRTV had a decent phone interview with Joe Allen around 12:30 or so. (It may be replayed)

NYT also had a nice article
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/sp...tml?ref=sports

FGFan 07-27-2008 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Echo Farm
Unfortunately, Citation, Mister Frisky and Hallowed Dreams won't have their record of 16 North American modern day wins challenged today.

The track is unplayable due to flooding.

http://www.koat.com/news/17005517/detail.html

HRTV had a decent phone interview with Joe Allen around 12:30 or so. (It may be replayed)

NYT also had a nice article
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/sp...tml?ref=sports

WOW...that is just terrible for the area, very devasting!

ALostTexan 07-27-2008 07:43 PM

There is a picture of the track on this MSNBC news story. Crazy amount of water...

my miss storm cat 08-14-2008 05:34 PM

http://www.drf.com/news/article/97331.html

SniperSB23 08-15-2008 12:44 AM

I'm up to 360 in a row wins over Harlem Rocker when I race him to AP Arrow's stall and back. At least I'm beating a potential Travers winner.

miraja2 08-15-2008 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I'm up to 360 in a row wins over Harlem Rocker when I race him to AP Arrow's stall and back. At least I'm beating a potential Travers winner.

To me....your streak is more impressive.
Again, I guess I'll be one of the very few people rooting against her attempt to break this record. I still don't see why people would cheer for a horse like this to break Citation's record. It just doesn't make sense to me. To me it is pretty cool that a horse THAT good, from THAT long ago still holds a share of a record like that. I think it would be a shame to see that go away because of a horse like this.
If some mighty New Mexico bred steps up and stops her streak, I would be happy to cheer for Pepper's Pride in any future races in which she enters. But to cheer for her to top horses like Citation and even Cigar......no way.

GBBob 08-15-2008 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
To me....your streak is more impressive.
Again, I guess I'll be one of the very few people rooting against her attempt to break this record. I still don't see why people would cheer for a horse like this to break Citation's record. It just doesn't make sense to me. To me it is pretty cool that a horse THAT good, from THAT long ago still holds a share of a record like that. I think it would be a shame to see that go away because of a horse like this.
If some mighty New Mexico bred steps up and stops her streak, I would be happy to cheer for Pepper's Pride in any future races in which she enters. But to cheer for her to top horses like Citation and even Cigar......no way.

For what it's worth, I agree

my miss storm cat 08-15-2008 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I'm up to 360 in a row wins over Harlem Rocker when I race him to AP Arrow's stall and back. At least I'm beating a potential Travers winner.

I think maybe you should have a match race with Pepper......:p

* * *

With respect and affection I'm having a hard time understanding the point of view of some.

No one is saying she's Citation or Silent Witness here...

Nice horse who stays within her element and wins. Good for her.

CSC 08-15-2008 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
I think maybe you should have a match race with Pepper......:p

* * *

With respect and affection I'm having a hard time understanding the point of view of some.

No one is saying she's Citation or Silent Witness here...

Nice horse who stays within her element and wins. Good for her.

Impressive streak, obcourse I'm abit more partial to Silent Witness's streak.

westcoastinvader 08-15-2008 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
To me....your streak is more impressive.
Again, I guess I'll be one of the very few people rooting against her attempt to break this record. I still don't see why people would cheer for a horse like this to break Citation's record. It just doesn't make sense to me. To me it is pretty cool that a horse THAT good, from THAT long ago still holds a share of a record like that. I think it would be a shame to see that go away because of a horse like this.
If some mighty New Mexico bred steps up and stops her streak, I would be happy to cheer for Pepper's Pride in any future races in which she enters. But to cheer for her to top horses like Citation and even Cigar......no way.

I understand the sentiment completely. I want the Citation's and Secretariat's of the world to be associated with revered records of the sport.

That said, I'll be rooting solidly for Pepper's Pride.

To me, it's apples and oranges to Citation's co-held streak.

And to history, if she gets it, it will be as well.

Any serious baseball fan knows Joe DiMaggio does NOT own the longest professional baseball hitting streak.

Joe Wilhoit does. 69 games over 56.

Wilhoit's accomplishment was tremendous and great. Pro baseball is and was pro baseball.

But, history and logic favors the Joe DiMaggio record, and Wilhoit is a little known asterisk.

cowgirlintexas 08-28-2008 03:39 PM

She runs this Sunday at the usual track..Race #10
Go Pepper!! :)

my miss storm cat 09-29-2008 06:09 PM

Zia Park - October 4th, 2008 - Race 8
Estimated Local Post Time: 3:17 PM
Race Type: Allowance Optional Claiming
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Three Year Old and Upward
Sex: Fillies and Mares
Restriction: State Bred Purse: $38,200
Distance: Six Furlongs
Surface: Dirt
Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name Claiming Price
1 Mega Dome (NM) 4 Filly 120 Ken S. Tohill $0
2 Complete Pride (NM) 5 Mare 120 Jorge Martin Bourdieu $0
3 Hang Glide (NM) 5 Mare 120 Mark Anthony Villa $0
4 Silver Expression (NM) 4 Filly 120 Miguel A. Perez $0
5 Peppers Pride (NM) 5 Mare 120 Carlos D. Madeira $0
6 Miss Possibility (NM) 5 Mare 124 Alejandro Medellin $35,000


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