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NoLuvForPletch 09-18-2007 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Coming off the turf wont happen no matter what

But I would like to see a horse entered
MTO-No rider

in the Turf.
Evening Attire

Cannon Shell 09-18-2007 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
Oh don't say that Chuck...My seats are on the apron and there is only enough room inside for 20 people, 30 tops...
Dress warm:D

Danzig 09-19-2007 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Samarta
I agree with Chuck......when they all line up, do you really think he has a chance? Right now, he's at least 4th maybe 5th choice if the race includes SS, LR, AGS, and Curlin. So he lands another 15 million by winning the King's Bishop and now stands to collect 35 million when he hands the reigns to Darley, so the money is of least importance.....so from a competition perspective wouldn't you rather run a race where if everyone runs their best race, you got a shot? If everyone runs their best race in the BCC he's got no shot.
if he wins it, porter gets to say he owned a classic winner.
if he loses, what does porter lose? nothing. he doesn't have to worry about a blemish on hard spuns record, he doens't have to try to make this horse succeed in his next career. there is zero risk for him.

personally, i hope a horse with no darley connections wins the thing. they snapped up all these horses, trying to buy a win, i hope a 'small timer' gets the glory. but you'd have to think darley would rather street sense wins it, since they have both him and his sire. but they've covered their bases with any given saturday, and now own part of HIS sire, and then of course hard spun...

Samarta 09-19-2007 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
if he wins it, porter gets to say he owned a classic winner.
if he loses, what does porter lose? nothing. he doesn't have to worry about a blemish on hard spuns record, he doens't have to try to make this horse succeed in his next career. there is zero risk for him.

personally, i hope a horse with no darley connections wins the thing. they snapped up all these horses, trying to buy a win, i hope a 'small timer' gets the glory. but you'd have to think darley would rather street sense wins it, since they have both him and his sire. but they've covered their bases with any given saturday, and now own part of HIS sire, and then of course hard spun...
But that's the name of the game for a lot of them including Porter....Offered in the 4 mill range for Lawyer Ron when he was still with Holthus at Oaklawn. He just bought 50% interest in Kodiak Kowboy. It's what a lot of people do....I don't fault Darley at all.....

King Glorious 09-20-2007 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Samarta
But that's the name of the game for a lot of them including Porter....Offered in the 4 mill range for Lawyer Ron when he was still with Holthus at Oaklawn. He just bought 50% interest in Kodiak Kowboy. It's what a lot of people do....I don't fault Darley at all.....
Amen.

Danzig 09-20-2007 05:10 AM
yeah, that's true. but darley has tremendously deep pockets, they could buy up all of it, and then every week we could watch darley horses. wouldn't that be fun? hey, we could even change the name of the breed to darleys. well, maybe not..i kid. but i always root for the underdog anyway. and certainly darley is no underdog.

Samarta 09-20-2007 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
yeah, that's true. but darley has tremendously deep pockets, they could buy up all of it, and then every week we could watch darley horses. wouldn't that be fun? hey, we could even change the name of the breed to darleys. well, maybe not..i kid. but i always root for the underdog anyway. and certainly darley is no underdog.
Maybe they should just change their name from Darley to The Yankees and every year they will be crowned triple crown and Breeder's Cup Champs in January and then guess what happens....they run the race and they lose a lot more than they win....

Danzig 09-20-2007 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Samarta
Maybe they should just change their name from Darley to The Yankees and every year they will be crowned triple crown and Breeder's Cup Champs in January and then guess what happens....they run the race and they lose a lot more than they win....

well, in that case, call them notre dame...:D

Cannon Shell 09-20-2007 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Samarta
But that's the name of the game for a lot of them including Porter....Offered in the 4 mill range for Lawyer Ron when he was still with Holthus at Oaklawn. He just bought 50% interest in Kodiak Kowboy. It's what a lot of people do....I don't fault Darley at all.....
oops....

NoLuvForPletch 10-23-2007 12:26 PM
A Change of Heart
 
So, not that anyone cares, but after all of the bitching I did about having Hard Spun run in the Classic and not put him on turf, I must now admit this seems like the right move. I can't believe he will be loose on the lead again but it certainly looks that way. Lawyer Ron is the ONLY one that has enough speed to run with him, but are they really going to send him and hook up the Hard Spun for the opening 6f? What does he have to go to have a shot 1:11? Can he get away with that?

SentToStud 10-23-2007 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
yeah, that's true. but darley has tremendously deep pockets, they could buy up all of it, and then every week we could watch darley horses. wouldn't that be fun? hey, we could even change the name of the breed to darleys. well, maybe not..i kid. but i always root for the underdog anyway. and certainly darley is no underdog.
All thoroughbreds descend from one of three horses. Darley Arabian is one; Godlphin Arabian and Byerly Turk are the others.

Danzig 10-23-2007 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SentToStud
All thoroughbreds descend from one of three horses. Darley Arabian is one; Godlphin Arabian and Byerly Turk are the others.
that's true.

rename them darley's darleys.


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