Lakeway won the Mother Goose in very impressive fashion.

Heavenly Prize hardly got " smoked " in that race.

Ok I give up

Lakeway and Sardula should be in the HALL of FAME!!!

We are all just witnesses to the greatness of these 2 fillies.

akinemod should be in too.


Go for Wand just rolled over in her grave......

I think she ran third, and I don't recall exactly by how much she lost, but wasn't it by around 5?

Heavenly Prize was a good filly but not an alltime great either. And Inside Information was much better as a 4 year old.

You are a quitter....

You should have mocked the supposed greatness that was Phone Chatter.....

You'd have really had some fun at that point.

Are facts always so inconvenient for you?

The funny thing is, I loved all those fillies I named in this thread, especially go for wand. There is just no way on earth she would have beaten a healthy lakeway by much, if at all. They were both on the same level in my opinion.

I think you are just biased against California horses and probably aren't as familiar with Lakeway's 3yo races as you are with her 4yo races, when she was no longer the same filly.

Sardula died while a three year old, so who knows what would have happened with her.

Not even close.

i stand corrected then. how much was the margin of defeat?

That is because she was nothing compared to what she was.
Not the same horse. Not even close. I really wonder if she even
wanted to run.

3 lengths

The time was 1/5th of a second slower than Brocco's 5 length win over Blummin Affair and Tabasco Cat. Dehere was also in that race - and well beaten.

I am not biased against any horses but I happen to think that Lakeway was not an alltime great which you contend. I remember seeing her train the week before the Alabama and was not impressed. I also was not that high on HP who was clearly better that day. I also recall that the the KY oaks that year fell apart with the exception of the top 2.

That you say she was not the same filly at 4 does not excuse the fact she wasn't. It is all part of the horses overall record which is taken into consideration.

She really did not accomplish that much in an era where horses did a lot more than they do now. Sardula was a nice filly who died. That is too bad but she was as likely to be exposed at 4 as she was to become some great champion.

Which is what the horses I named were. They not only took it to the track almost everytime out, they did it over multiple seasons, at many tracks, sometimes against males, and often carrying weight. To say that Lakeway or Sardula is in the same league as Go For Wand or Bayakoa is like saying Don Mattingly is as good as Lou Gehrig. To say that they were close is laughable.

Her sheet numbers were better the year she was supposedly so down.

The great (for 6 seasons and not so great for 6) Don Mattingly. Donny Baseball. The Lakeway of the Big Leagues

Lyman Bostock, the Sardula of MLB

I agree with Cannon totally that too many people judge horses based on what they could have accomplished and not what they did accomplish.

I've seen enough raw talent from Magnificence to suggest that she can be easily better than any filly or mare who's raced this decade....

However, she must do like a Discreet Cat or Ghostzapper, and go out and really prove the greatness that jumps off the tape at you in her inital wins.

Someone soiled the sheets.
And dirty sheets are made by runnng against 30K claimers as you stated.
I just watchem run.
So do you guys.

I also think Dan Marino is the best QB I have ever seen.
So maybe my eyes are just bad.

Mineshaft's style was impeccable by my eye also.
But of course he never ran against anything (according to many).