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Left Bank 07-01-2007 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
I think a rock could fall out of the sky and you would dispute the Laws of Gravity.
I think you are a terrible handicapper and know absolutely nothing about racing at all.Give it up.

10 pnt move up 07-01-2007 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
I think you are a terrible handicapper and know absolutely nothing about racing at all.Give it up.
I am sure you are right.

TitanSooner 07-01-2007 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
I am sure you are right.
He's not going to be happy until an earthquake completely wipes out all of us in California.

Left Bank 07-01-2007 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TitanSooner
He's not going to be happy until an earthquake completely wipes out all of us in California.
God is just waiting for the rest of the whacko's to get out there before he does that!

10 pnt move up 07-01-2007 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TitanSooner
He's not going to be happy until an earthquake completely wipes out all of us in California.
maybe he owns property in Yuma

10 pnt move up 07-01-2007 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
God is just waiting for the rest of the whacko's to get out there before he does that!
when you moving?

Left Bank 07-01-2007 03:11 PM
Can't.Gotta stay close to my doctor.

Echo Farm 07-01-2007 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
John Henry anybody? Claimed for $25K (but inflation since then means it is about even with the Dude's price). Stymie, one of the immortals of the breed, was claimed for $1500!! Brass Hat ran in a Maiden claimer 15K first out. Even Princequillo, the great stayer of the 1940s and a pillar of the breed ran in claimers before his prowess as a stayer was recognized.

Running in a claimer at some point in a horse's career does not mean that horse is garbage forever and ever. He may have an unrecognized problem, a trainer who doesn't understand his particular talents, or been a slow maturing sort who can't compete with the Storm Cats of the breed when they are 2 or 3.
I could be wrong, but I don't believe John Henry was ever claimed. (he did run in cheap claiming races) Do you have any references to back that statement up?

(not that it really matters in this discussion, but I'd like to know where / when / connections on both sides)

http://horseracing.about.com/library...y/aa100997.htm
http://thoroughbredchampions.com/bio.../johnhenry.htm

Danzig 07-01-2007 04:44 PM
altho john was sold MANY times, he was never actually claimed out of a race.

FairPlay 07-01-2007 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
totally disagree, very soft pace set up things well for Lava Man, and gave APX a shot. Any type of honest pace and its another story.

not saying Lava man doesn't have guts, he does. but I sorta look at it like he is the best of a so-so bunch out there.

who were the quality horses in that field?

as bad as the Suburban field was I think it had better quality. no claimers. with a wimpy pace like that fairbanks would have wired that field. 2:00.5 final time in the Suburban versus 2:03 and change in the Gold cup. hmmm.

and people are always totally stumped why Lava Man doesn't win when he travels. it's not that complicated.
Blood Horse is the only one reporting the truth about the "second slowest" HGC ever - that LM set a new track record for 1 1/4 miles on cushion track. It's all relative and comparing dirt to cushion track is like comparing a moron to an idiot.

miraja2 07-01-2007 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
Give it up dude.You won't ever convince me.
You are right about this. To you, the facts do not matter at all. No matter what happens, or what anybody says, you will continue to believe what you believe. Congratulations.
I'm no big fan of Lava Man, and I could care less about the current state of racing in SoCal. But you are so caught up in your hatred for the racing there that you seem to be consumed by it. A poster makes a fair comment about a horse that had raced in SoCal and went on to do nice things in Kentucky and New York, and your response is "Give it up dude." How clever.

Left Bank 07-01-2007 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2
You are right about this. To you, the facts do not matter at all. No matter what happens, or what anybody says, you will continue to believe what you believe. Congratulations.
I'm no big fan of Lava Man, and I could care less about the current state of racing in SoCal. But you are so caught up in your hatred for the racing there that you seem to be consumed by it. A poster makes a fair comment about a horse that had raced in SoCal and went on to do nice things in Kentucky and New York, and your response is "Give it up dude." How clever.
The horse in question,SHIPPED IN FROM CHURCHILL DOWNS,KICKED ASS FOR 3 RACES,THEN LEFT AND WENT ON TO KENTUCKY AND NEW YORK!!! It was claimed it couldn't be done,and it was.THis was NOT a california horse,as is claimed.Those are the FACTS!!

TitanSooner 07-01-2007 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
The horse in question,SHIPPED IN FROM CHURCHILL DOWNS,KICKED ASS FOR 3 RACES,THEN LEFT AND WENT ON TO KENTUCKY AND NEW YORK!!! It was claimed it couldn't be done,and it was.THis was NOT a california horse,as is claimed.Those e the FACTS!!
Give it up dude, you'll never convince me.

10 pnt move up 07-01-2007 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
The horse in question,SHIPPED IN FROM CHURCHILL DOWNS,KICKED ASS FOR 3 RACES,THEN LEFT AND WENT ON TO KENTUCKY AND NEW YORK!!! It was claimed it couldn't be done,and it was.THis was NOT a california horse,as is claimed.Those are the FACTS!!
shipped in, the horse was stabled in california for 5 months and trained by McCarthy. The point being some good horses do exist out there. Your silly.

Left Bank 07-01-2007 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
shipped in, the horse was stabled in california for 5 months and trained by McCarthy. The point being some good horses do exist out there. Your silly.
How about it was trained by McCarty for 2 races because Todd Pletch was on his vacation at the time.Stop trying to claim something that isn't yours.:D

miraja2 07-01-2007 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
The horse in question,SHIPPED IN FROM CHURCHILL DOWNS,KICKED ASS FOR 3 RACES,THEN LEFT AND WENT ON TO KENTUCKY AND NEW YORK!!! It was claimed it couldn't be done,and it was.THis was NOT a california horse,as is claimed.Those are the FACTS!!
Again you miss the larger point. If a poster raises a question or makes a comment, it probably makes more sense to respond to it with something other than simply "Whatever" and "give it up dude" and your always predictable and boring rants about the quality of racing there.
Did you notice the way that ArlJim was making several of the same points you were trying to make? The only problem for you is the fact that Jim made them actual points, and argued his position logically and articulately.
See the difference "dude?"

10 pnt move up 07-01-2007 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
How about it was trained by McCarty for 2 races because Todd Pletch was on his vacation at the time.Stop trying to claim something that isn't yours.:D
you think pletcher trained that horse for those 5 months, get real.

10 pnt move up 07-01-2007 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2
Again you miss the larger point. If a poster raises a question or makes a comment, it probably makes more sense to respond to it with something other than simply "Whatever" and "give it up dude" and your always predictable and boring rants about the quality of racing there.
Did you notice the way that ArlJim was making several of the same points you were trying to make? The only problem for you is the fact that Jim made them actual points, and argued his position logically and articulately.
See the difference "dude?"
the poster is rediculous, I am sure the names like sunday silence, ap indy, silver charm, real quit just are blips on the radar. Horses like azeri are a figments of our imagination.

Left Bank 07-01-2007 06:24 PM
No I think you need to get real and have your facts straight.I am done arguing with you now

miraja2 07-01-2007 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
No I think you need to get real and have your facts straight.I am done arguing with you now
I hadn't even realized that you had started arguing, but if you say you are done......okay.


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