Of course I'd have an issue, but the reality is is that each of these horses is in the gate because they (supposedly) deserve to be there. It's only fair that it's a random drawing... perhaps they should all just take their ball and go home since Street Sense and Scat are the highest in earnings.

All 3 are on my tickets regardless. I will be a happy camper if one of them ends up there. :)

You have reading comprehension problems I see...don't attempt to belittle my intelligence by putting words in my mouth...there are no absolutes in racing, certainly not in the Derby...every one of the 20 horses entered CAN win, a horse CAN win from any post position...the point I make is that it has proven to be extremely difficult from the three inside positions...if Curlin is the horse some think he is, he will win from anywhere...hell, the way some talk, he would win starting from his stall!

So who said more winners have come from pp1 than any other?

Is this true, anyone know?

I'll let you know in a second...

So pp2 is not such a bad post after all

1 either for that matter, I assume that's the 2nd highest overall?

Since there are 20 horses you've got some that have 10-15 times the graded earnings as the ones that just manage to scoot by on the bottom of the list. Yet they are all treated equally for the pp draw?

I just think its unfair that a horse like Storm In May, a horse that should be more than 100/1 to win the race, should chose in front of the top money earners. And by the same token I think it would have been unfair if Street Sense, the most qualfied horse to run in the race accoring to the earnings, would have had the misfortune of drawing 20th.

Do those numbers include the days pre-starting gate?

it's a damn shame horses like Storm in May and Teuflesberg are gonna be taking away the best PP's from actual contenders

-bt-

There are others on the other extreme that talk like he has almost no chance whatsoever based simply on the fact he didn't race at 2.

I couldnt agree more..When i first seen that Dominican and AGS are picking where they are I was like WTF..I cant catch a break, unless its a broken arm or leg..

can one of you tell me who was the last winner to come from the last box.

Those numbers are completely misleading as the inside posts were dominant early in Derby history but since the reconfiguration of the track, the inside has been considered "death" by horsemen. As stated earlier, Ferdinand won in 86 from the #1 post, before that was Chateaugay in 1963. Regarding the outside, Gato Del Sol won from the 18 in 1982 and the gelding Clyde Van Dusen won from the 20 in 1929.

Monarchos was second from the outside...right? I know, it's not outside, but...who cares. :)

Nobody's ever won from 19 I don't believe.

My question is, back in the old days with the flying start, it seemed like post position was less of an issue than a great start.

Not me... I'm more concerned with only 3 races total and all grouped in a short period facing questionable competition. He has a chance but I'll not bet him...that's far from saying he has almost no chance.

winning posts
 

1929 Clyde Van Dusen 20
1982 Gato Del Sol 18
1995 Thunder Gulch 16
1999 Charismatic 16
2000 Fusaichi Pegasus 15
1996 Grindstone 15