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declansharbor 04-24-2007 12:29 AM

Dominican hasnt run on the dirt since they snipped his goods, right?? He has wise guy written all over him. I know I said the same about Notional, but I absolutely love Dominican's stretch running. He has a good amount of tactical speed, enough to keep him prime for the pounce of the pacesetters. A big plus (for me only probably) is that Bejarano stays up.. This kid has the right stuff and it's only a matter of time that he wins a TC race. It may be a biased point of view, but I can see him roping some dead horses in mid stretch. Hopefully he can hit the board as my group of cronies will be keying him (along with CQ) in all three spots..Also, looking for a pricey pick 3/4..Fever's kickin in.

easy goer 04-24-2007 12:37 AM

you know, Curlin is starting to sound a little like Bellamy Rd. Who won by open lengths in the Wood then was morning line 3-1. He crept up a little to I think 7-2 then went off at 3-1; I guess. However, BR got hurt, I hope Curlin doesnt get hurt.

ateamstupid 04-24-2007 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
He doesn't need it to set up, he has closed into soft fractions before. His turn of foot will put him into any race. I am far from worried about Pletcher having him ready. I will say this, WHEN CQ wins the Derby, he will NOT win the Preakness, maybe not even run in the race. Races take too much out of him to come back in 13 days.

I must have missed that race.. Louisiana Derby, fast fractions. Juvenile, fast fractions. Breeders' Futurity, fast fractions. Hopeful, sizzling fractions.

I like Circular Quay as much as the next guy, and I agree that because he has such a strong kick, he's nearly a lock to hit the board, but unless a bunch of jockeys decide to go nuts on the front end, I think he's a tough pill to swallow on top, especially at about 8/1, which he'll be, not 10/1 or 12/1.

timmgirvan 04-24-2007 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
Dominican hasnt run on the dirt since they snipped his goods, right?? He has wise guy written all over him. I know I said the same about Notional, but I absolutely love Dominican's stretch running. He has a good amount of tactical speed, enough to keep him prime for the pounce of the pacesetters. A big plus (for me only probably) is that Bejarano stays up.. This kid has the right stuff and it's only a matter of time that he wins a TC race. It may be a biased point of view, but I can see him roping some dead horses in mid stretch. Hopefully he can hit the board as my group of cronies will be keying him (along with CQ) in all three spots..Also, looking for a pricey pick 3/4..Fever's kickin in.

This one wil be in my plays, unless his pp is so far out it's useless!

Sightseek 04-24-2007 06:41 AM

For what it's worth Scav's...Pletcher said ATRAB yesterday that he felt Scat Daddy would gain more benefit of the likely pace scenario than Circular Quay.

ateamstupid 04-24-2007 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
For what it's worth Scav's...Pletcher said ATRAB yesterday that he felt Scat Daddy would gain more benefit of the likely pace scenario than Circular Quay.

He also said that he wants Garret to take Any Given Saturday off the pace, which makes no sense at all to me.

Buffymommy 04-24-2007 08:13 AM

If he goes, Slew's Tizzy will be the wise guy. I would kinda like to see him be the next "big fat horse who likes to run every two weeks".

Although, for the horse's sake I will admit I want him to skip the Derby and whoop some booty in the Preakness. He really is a good looking colt. LOVE that little blaze.

Sightseek 04-24-2007 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
He also said that he wants Garret to take Any Given Saturday off the pace, which makes no sense at all to me.

Me either...

Scav 04-24-2007 08:49 AM

A little indecisiveness has crept into Scav's head and it is possible that if I can squeeze 7/1 out of Street Sense, I might move tack to him. I doubt it though.....

Bigsmc 04-24-2007 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
A little indecisiveness has crept into Scav's head and it is possible that if I can squeeze 7/1 out of Street Sense, I might move tack to him. I doubt it though.....

Uh oh.

I don't think there is anyway you'll get 7-1 on SS. Then again, I didn't think SNS would be the chalk last year, so what do I know.





Did you really have 40 putts this past weekend? If so, how did your putter survive the round?

Scurlogue Champ 04-24-2007 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
A little indecisiveness has crept into Scav's head and it is possible that if I can squeeze 7/1 out of Street Sense, I might move tack to him. I doubt it though.....

I won't touch him at 10/1 plus. I don't think this one will run. If I'm wrong, then so be it. Still with Quay as of now.

Scav 04-24-2007 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Uh oh.

I don't think there is anyway you'll get 7-1 on SS. Then again, I didn't think SNS would be the chalk last year, so what do I know.





Did you really have 40 putts this past weekend?

I forgot to look at that thread, I had a couple meltdowns, I shot a 49 to open and thought I would break a 100, as the back is easier then the front at my home course but then I busted out an 8(4), 7(3), 3(1),9(4) and just caused all sorts of problems. I did sink about a 20fter for par though that was pretty cool. I got all Chi-Chi on my friends. I am still the guy that thinks he can control a 5w 200 yards into the green, instead of laying up....

Cajungator26 04-24-2007 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
so fired up I am quote myself when I meant to quote Pat

Well Scav... you might want to re-evaluate because I'm using the same horses MINUS Circular Quay.

jpops757 04-24-2007 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I agree, I want no part of a horse like that at the odds. I'm on the Street Sense train. Can't get off now. As for the odds, sometimes the betting gets weird. Who would have thought SNS would have been the favorite last year?

That is why I think SNS was the wisefuy pick last year. Everything I used last year pointed directly at Barbaro and Pletchers Cat. The night before the derby I drank the Kool-Aide and fell for the wiseguy horse. All the talk was that regardless of his PPs Barbaro couldnt win because of some age old tradition. We all know what happened. The best prepared and the best horse won.. To me there are three horses that can be talked about and You could sub there name for barbaros last year, Curlin, CQ and maybe Dominican or SS, This years SNS is AGS. Beware every thing thats being said sounds like all the comments about SNS last year.

philcski 04-24-2007 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
There you go, not even a graded winner......will be grossly overbet. Giacomo was the last non graded winner to win, after that I can't remember....

Funny Cide.

Scav 04-24-2007 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jpops757
That is why I think SNS was the wisefuy pick last year. Everything I used last year pointed directly at Barbaro and Pletchers Cat. The night before the derby I drank the Kool-Aide and fell for the wiseguy horse. All the talk was that regardless of his PPs Barbaro couldnt win because of some age old tradition. We all know what happened. The best prepared and the best horse won.. To me there are three horses that can be talked about and You could sub there name for barbaros last year, Curlin, CQ and maybe Dominican or SS, This years SNS is AGS. Beware every thing thats being said sounds like all the comments about SNS last year.

If Desormeaux didn't forget to turn on his brain, he would have competed with Barbaro to the end, he was loaded for bear until Kent went to the rail and got stopped. I doubt he beats Barbaro, but he at least competes down the stretch IMO

hockey2315 04-24-2007 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
If Desormeaux didn't forget to turn on his brain, he would have competed with Barbaro to the end, he was loaded for bear until Kent went to the rail and got stopped. I doubt he beats Barbaro, but he at least competes down the stretch IMO

I totally disagree. . . What has SNS shown since the Derby that makes you think he could hang with Barbaro?


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