I think the frustration comes in where there is no consistency from race to race let alone from track to track with stewards. Horses get left up ALL THE TIME for doing this "because the 2nd place finisher wasn't affected". This was the case yesterday as Country House was never going by.

I don't have a problem with the DQ because he went 5 paths out. But i'll have a problem when they leave up a horse at Belmont today for doing the same thing "because the 2nd place finisher wasn't affected". Then on Friday they will taken them down. Zero and I mean zero consistency.

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Shouldn't have come down imo. How many horses have
been taken out in the first turn and nothing happens
Maxium Security was the best horse especially being attacked on the
front end with fractions of 22.31 and 46.62 and still won by almost 2 lengths

One the most obvious fouls I have ever seen.
Still can't believe they really did it in the Derby. Kudos for doing the right thing no matter what.

This is why we need more 5 horse fields!:D

Who really knows if he was the best. I thought WOW looked like he was about to blow by him until the foul.

That said, I was impressed with Maximum Security. I thought he was a fraud and I was wrong.

I had a nice 5 dollar exacta MS to Country House, along with being singled to him in the Pick 4, Oaks Derby Double, thank god Code of Honor didn't finish 2nd or would have had the Tri as well, this one stung and still stings. If I had the 2nd or 3rd place horse and not MS and they didn't make a change, I honestly would have understood, considering it was the derby, the change really hurts overall, it won't kill the sport, but it will shy away some casual bettors, like my buddies who bet occasionally, when I explained to them the DQ and the money it cost me and others, they sounded like they did not want any part of horse racing.

That being said, i'm still sour, and have no desire to watch or play the Preakness or any races, but like the degenerate I am, I'm sure I will be back.

Can I get odds on whether fpsoxfan will bet a horse race before August?

Read my post again there chief. It’s says SPA. That’s July.
So I’ll take your bet Meathead.

no name calling please.

Oh come on. Meathead? No dumb ass posts please.

Yes, but Long Range Toddy was probably done any way. He was already fading. He finished 16th. If it wasn't for the incident where does he finish? If he wouldn't have come in the top 5, then you can't disqualify the winner. You can only DQ a horse if he costs another horse a better placing in the money. I think the only horse that MS could have or should have been DQ'd for fouling would be War of Will.

This is a pretty incredible thread about a no-brainer DQ.

Considering that horses get butchered every year in the Derby and the stewards never DQ anyone, I don't know if I would ever call any DQ in the Derby a "no-brainer".

Whatever happen to Coach ?

That’s really the only reason I thought they might leave him up - “because it’s the derby” - and that’s not a very good reason. I can’t recall the last time the Derby winner interfered with a horse this badly, though.

Ouch




That smarts.

This. I'd love for Rupert to show me where a Derby winner fouled another horse that badly at that crucial point of a race and didn't get DQ'ed. Pretty ridiculous to suggest that there should be different rules for the Derby than a $5,000 claimer.

I know...all B.S. I'm sure they are betting already. Like it or not, gambling is an addiction and 99% of us on here have it. Our addictions always override objections and inquiries.:)

You may be right. I don't remember a Derby winner fouling anyone. But I can think of horses being forced to take up sharply. I don't remember in any of those cases whether a horse who finished in the money was responsible. For example, I remember back in 2010 when they were passing the stands for the first time, somebody practically took Lookin at Lucky into the rail. It probably cost him 5-10 lengths. I can't remember who it was that fouled him and whether the horse who fouled him finished in the top 5. Here is the video of that incident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bd0rf8RSeo

Every year there are horses taking up left and right and it's not always self-inflicted. But off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you whether any of those horses who have taken up badly, did so as a result of something that a horse who finished in the money did. And many of those incidents happened much earlier in the race.

I guess the perception of many people including myself is that there is always tons of bumping in the Derby and it is usually a very roughly run race. It seems that they usually allow almost anything. But you may be right that this is the worst foul that has happened at that point in the race.

Serling ( and all the others that lazily tossed out Max) needed a bail out. Of course, they took it.

Duh.

Don't look for perfection when you ask horses to run on a very slippery track (with about 20 other horses.) Having this pig be called the winner of our biggest, most important, race is the punishment that we will all now have to live with. There is one reason to take the winner of yesterday's race down. That is, if it was obvious that another horse would have won (without the foul.)


Full Stop.

All any of the other so-called great horses had do to win was be ahead of CH.
Not of them could do that.

The eventual winner was the TFUS LP top ranked horse and they predicted fast pace.

I already put a note in my Derby 2020 Folder titles Lesson Learned.

That is a huge lie. War of Will was so empty late in this race. If he'd of fouled horses that could run 10f, and were contending late in this race, then, it would make some sense. No, they dq'd him for fouling horses who couldn't run 10f on this day.

And, to Mark Casse, you were not gunna do much more than 8th place. You were out of horse. The best horse was dq'd because he possibly kept you from getting 6th, or 7th place.



Happy?

And to these people who claim this dq is necessary to protect the horses and riders...


What????????????????????


You were just fine with them running about 20 horses on rubbery Jello (with standing water on it.) So, paalease.

You keep getting it all wrong. Casse didn’t claim foul. But he should have. There was an inquiry and the connections of Country House and Long Range Toddy claimed foul.

Are you really going to pretend Maximum Security didn’t impede War of Will, which led to Long Range Toddy having to sharply take up? Did you not see Maximum Security come out 3-4 paths?

I’m kind of surprised people that have watched thousands of races keep acting like novices. This was an easy call.

Yeah that **** is cracking me up serling,aragona,bailey etc etc etc are all towomg the company line with that ****, but like you said they were all ok with horses beimg ran on a death strip for over a month. The only person on tv today that said anything worthwhile was rich migilore he said basically there's no rules in the derby and thats how he rode for the five he was in. They didnt want that trainer winning end of story

It keeps getting better. There’s no rules in the Derby and NY analysts were okay with what was going on at Santa Anita. That’s very pertinent to this discussion.

For someone who claims to be a gambler you’re not really acting like one.

I think its political and new people to the game will think the same (therefore they won't bet their $ on this game) and i do gamble I've been following this site for a few years and rarely ever post this turn of events have swayed me in the direction of this game is rigged etc etc sorry no-one wants to hear that **** that the horse came out blah blah blah if it waa so bad why didn't gafflione file claim? And now casse says well it wouldnt of helped our placing blah blah. If this game is about integrity and adhering to the rules why hasnt anything remotely close to tbis out happened prior? Why was bayern left up? You cant convince me or a good swath of bettors otherwise they didnt want servis winning it. As soon as mott opened his mouth i knew MS was coming down

right call wrong decision, is the way I see it. You cant blame the connections of Country House for being gifted a KY Derby. But this is something you really can't gloat about

You’re entitled to your wrong opinion. I asked you earlier why Kentucky stewards would not want Servis winning. We both know what your response was.

Horseplayers have to deal with DQ’s. They suck and it’s unfair but they happen. I’m sorry you lost. You picked the right horse. But that horse fouled a few and cost them a placing. At some point you’ll probably get put up when you shouldn’t. It happens.

1st off, if yall want perfection, don't run about 20 horses on rubbery jello. If people are concerned about the safety of the horses and jockeys, then, that's where to start. I brought up Casse because he was being interviewed on TVG. This is a trainer who put a horse on the track that couldn't run 10f. That's why he finished 8th. He had every chance to win this at the top of the stretch. He just had no finish. Most don't. They took this winner down for fouling horses who didn't have the gas to compete for the win. If he fouled horses who had a chance to win, I'd agree with you. They had zero chance to win, because they couldn't get 10f. That's what stewards do all the time (ignore fouls against "dead" horses.) Yall complained that you didn't like Giacamo winning. Well, look who you now have as a Kentucky Derby Winner............Enjoy.

If you want to see someone acting like a novice, go watch the video of Serling tossing out Max because he got a soft pace in the Florida Derby. That's novice 101 (assuming a horse will stop just because he got a soft pace , one time.) He had shown that he could handle pace, and draw away. Just like he did yesterday. These people were just too lazy to watch his previous 3 races.

Its happened both ways for me im not a novice player. I really enjoyed horseracing this just felt very political to me with bill mott sittng there dictating the outcome and those stewards staring at the screen watching him chirping about it. I knew the horse was coming down when they showed him. It pisses me off all these industry people acting like horseracing is on some petestal and they had to do the right thing to honor this game. My point is a game that's trying to get new fans (which they'll never get lets be honest) is acting as if this was the biggest foul in history. As they send horses over the santa anita strip to their death. but a horse comimg out a few paths on a complete **** surface was going to take half the field out that's what their implying. Again if it was that egrigous why didnt gafflione call foul? Btw he looked like he was riding right up MS ass

Yesterday's results of the Kentucky Derby had no impact on my wallet. I played a trifecta box with Max Security, Tacitus, Game Winner, and Plus Que Parfait. Had Plus Que Parfait under those 3 in exactas. Plus Que Parfait ran well in the slop last fall at Churchill. He ran well in the slop yesterday, but couldn't get 10f. Same as War of Will.

I bet Giacomo and had a future bet on him. But I complained about him winning?

Ummm okay.

Where are your pre race opinions posted?

If it’s political could you explain why Kentucky stewards don’t like Jason Servis?

Last night in the heat of the moment I was so upset with the outcome. Today, after reading so much and viewing videos and photos, I can't help but agree with the DQ. I don't believe there was anything "political" about it, that's just silly.

A different video angle of the “incident”, pretty shocking to watch:

https://twitter.com/CarsoniPH/status...28240144457730

A still shot of WoW going SIDEWAYS:

https://twitter.com/GStevens_jockey/...67652035174402

Wondered why Tyler did not lodge an objection, here are his comments:

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...8-vfWE.twitter

Dont know dont care. Im sure there a little skeptical of his 35-40% win rates that might of had some implications on their decision. Again, to the novice betting public this will be what is said and thought for years to come. I personally beleive there were some politics involved and will always believe if that was baffert the horse stays up. You cant convince me and huge chunk of people otherwise

Can anyone determine how many paths Bayern crossed out of the gate and how many horses he impeded on the way to his Classic victory? Seems like a good. comparison, no?

Also, throughout all of this I haven't seen anywhere where Johnny V explained why he didn't claim foul. I would have to assume someone asked him with all of the top notch press we have out there. Anyone find anything?

I think you’re right that if Baffert trained Maximum Security that he probably would have legitimately won.