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RockHardTen1985 07-11-2014 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 986323)
Thought it was pretty telling in his letter he mentioned by name Irving, Thompson, Waiters, and Varejao and playing with them.

the notable missing names were Wiggins and Bennett. Maybe accidental, but I think those two at least would go in a trade for Love.

I agree with you, it was odd. I just don't think its such a slam dunk. Wiggins will be great and Lebron only helps that. Minnesota is losing Love anyway. Cavs should not overpay for him.

horseofcourse 07-11-2014 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 986324)
I agree with you, it was odd. I just don't think its such a slam dunk. Wiggins will be great and Lebron only helps that. Minnesota is losing Love anyway. Cavs should not overpay for him.

It's still Cleveland....they'll screw this up somehow. You can take that to the bank.

Pants II 07-11-2014 12:09 PM

LeBron made the right choice.

Congrats horse, morty, and the other 1400 cavs fans.

Pants II 07-11-2014 12:11 PM

It's plausible they stick with Wiggins and Bennett.

Bennett hasn't earned a mention and Wiggins is a rook. Could be as simple as that.

Pants II 07-11-2014 12:15 PM

So that decision just helped Bosh and Wade's bank accounts.

LeBron working on that image. The only thing he's done wrong is The Decision.

Pants II 07-11-2014 12:18 PM

If they do trade for Love and sign The Jesus Shuttlesworth and Mac Miller then they're a lock for the Finals.

RockHardTen1985 07-11-2014 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 986330)
If they do trade for Love and sign The Jesus Shuttlesworth and Mac Miller then they're a lock for the Finals.

They are a lock for finals as is right now! A stone cold lock. No one in the east is close. How much better will Irving and Waiters be now....

Pants II 07-11-2014 01:12 PM

They are far more formidable with Love. He's liable to shoot 45% from 3 pt range.

RockHardTen1985 07-11-2014 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 986334)
They are far more formidable with Love. He's liable to shoot 45% from 3 pt range.

I don't disagree. I just think Wiggins could be special. Plus they might have to give Waiters and Bennett and a pick. All these guys will improve with Lebron playing there.

RockHardTen1985 07-11-2014 01:53 PM

Jeremy Linn to Lakers. Bosh to Houston. If they match for Parsons they are scary good.

Cannon Shell 07-11-2014 05:21 PM

Bosh stays in Miami. $118 million is a lot of money.

Calzone Lord 07-11-2014 11:09 PM

Here was the opening of 'All Bets Are Off' from Monday. Sheridan is a guest on the show from time to time, and Bruce says he fed him.

http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/video?...0-08d493371a16


Pretty obvious that his source was someone high ranking in the Cavs organization.

Even though the Cavs told Wiggins they wouldn't part with him -- Drennan insisted all week long that the Cavs are willing to part with Wiggins to make a trade for Love happen, as long as they could secure a long-term commitment from Love.

He's called everything right, this week. So it sounds like Bye Bye Wiggins...because they're willing to part with him to make it happen, as long as Minnesota doesn't roll-over or something.

horseofcourse 07-12-2014 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 986383)
Bosh stays in Miami. $118 million is a lot of money.

That makes me think the Houston option for Bosh was if LeBron had signed with Miami. That's why Bosh was waiting. I think everyone had that scenario backward including me. That money ain't there if LeBron goes to Miami.

Cannon Shell 07-13-2014 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 986452)
That makes me think the Houston option for Bosh was if LeBron had signed with Miami. That's why Bosh was waiting. I think everyone had that scenario backward including me. That money ain't there if LeBron goes to Miami.

true

Everyone on the outside wants us to believe that "rings" are all these guys think of but Bosh already has 2, apparently loves living in Miami and gets an extra 30 million to stay and be the main guy again. Makes a lot of sense when you see it in hindsight

Cannon Shell 07-13-2014 05:54 AM

I know everyone is going ga ga over Cleveland but even with Love minus Wiggins they are a really weak defensive team with really suspect depth. IMO right now if Rose is healthy Chicago with the addition of Gasol is the team to beat in the East. Gasol might be a little over the hill but if only needed to play 25-28 mins a game like SA does with Duncan in the reg season he can be a huge difference maker in the playoffs. If Mirotic is as advertised and McDermott can come in and shoot well Chicago's 1-8 is the best in the East.

RockHardTen1985 07-14-2014 05:37 PM

Cleveland is the best team in the east without Love if they pull that trade they are the best team in the NBA. East could be fascinating. Assuming Wade is healthy Miami is no worst then the 4-5 best team.

King Glorious 07-15-2014 11:19 AM

Right now, I place Chicago on top with Indiana second and Cleveland probably third. Cleveland has no offensive big man at all and Varajao is undersized defensively. He can give you a few good minutes here and there but would get exposed in a series. I've said this before but I don't like teaming ball dominant wing men with ball dominant point guards. Jordan won six without one. Bryant won five. Bird won three. James has two. Wade won one. All of these guys work best when they run the offense. Irving is not an off the ball player and neither is James. Both of them are most effective with the ball. With players like them, Cleveland needs shooters around them to space the floor and neither Waiters or Wiggins fits that bill.

GBBob 07-15-2014 01:12 PM

Bill Simmons must have a staff of 40 to pull together an article like this on Melo, the NBA and about a million other things...great read

http://grantland.com/features/carmel...knicks-legacy/

Cannon Shell 07-15-2014 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 987044)
Bill Simmons must have a staff of 40 to pull together an article like this on Melo, the NBA and about a million other things...great read

http://grantland.com/features/carmel...knicks-legacy/

I have been telling PG1985 this for 3 years

RockHardTen1985 07-15-2014 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 987067)
I have been telling PG1985 this for 3 years

Cowherd ripped it, in a sense.

Cannon Shell 07-15-2014 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 987087)
Cowherd ripped it, in a sense.

Cowherd is clueless.

RockHardTen1985 07-16-2014 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 987089)
Cowherd is clueless.

We disagree here. I love him.

NTamm1215 07-16-2014 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 987089)
Cowherd is clueless.

Really? I listen to his show every day and like him quite a bit.

RockHardTen1985 07-16-2014 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 987119)
Really? I listen to his show every day and like him quite a bit.

He's honest and emotional. A breathof fresh air IMO.

Cannon Shell 07-16-2014 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 987112)
We disagree here. I love him.

I didnt say that I dont like him however...

Cannon Shell 07-16-2014 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 987119)
Really? I listen to his show every day and like him quite a bit.

He barely closely follows most sports outside of college football. Most of his stuff is just populist stuff (often taking contrary views which is his real gig) that is interesting in general but he often is way off base on baseball and basketball. He admittedly hardly watches outside of the big games.

Cannon Shell 07-16-2014 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 987121)
He's honest and emotional. A breathof fresh air IMO.

He is a verbal columnist. He does a good job of entertaining. However his takes on baseball and basketball, especially NBA stuff are sometimes laughably wrong.

RockHardTen1985 07-16-2014 04:28 PM

Chuck just because he bashes Melo and realizes Lebron for what he is does not make him clueless. But its clear why you say so, you have to be Melo's biggest defender.....

Cannon Shell 07-18-2014 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 987155)
Chuck just because he bashes Melo and realizes Lebron for what he is does not make him clueless. But its clear why you say so, you have to be Melo's biggest defender.....

He realizes LeBron for what he is? What exactly is that?
Please if you want to be clueless just continue on the path of the popular myths.

Cowherd is like the guy at the old OTB's without TV's that describes how the jockey of the horse he bet on screwed up despite not actual seeing the race. Generally all the others who bet in the same horse would shake their heads in agreement. That would be you

Cannon Shell 07-18-2014 10:35 AM

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/la...rn-conference/

Read this Cowherd

King Glorious 07-19-2014 12:50 AM

So I've been in Vegas this week checking out summer games and I wanted share a couple of thoughts.

Dante Exum-I just don't see it. He looks so overmatched. Can't shoot at all.

Julius Randle-Hasn't impressed me. I like his ability to put the ball on the ground but he's not finishing and he's been kinda weak on the boards.

Jabari Parker-About as advertised. Has a great offensive feel and has held his own on the boards. Like that he can grab a board and push it up himself and put pressure on the defense.

Noah Vonleh-I see nothing at all.

Andrew Wiggins-Very athletic but very raw. Not in the camp that says he'll be a superstar. Shot is bad and I don't see a lot of instinct. Defense is good though and will keep him on the floor and hopefullly, the offense comes.

Nerlens Noel-A serious player. He's as thin as a pencil but his defensive instincts are like a young Hakeem Olajuwon. His offense is a little raw but it's gonna come. He's my summer choice for rookie of the year.

Zach Levine-Has totally shocked and impressed me. Shoots better than I expected. Takes good shots. Makes good passes. Plays off the ball. Extremely explosive. Plays with a poise and mturity that you don't expect based on his experience.

Doug McDermott-Not Adam Morrison. Dude can play. Very nice shot and handled himself ok on the glass and on defense. The kind of player that could help any team.

If the draft were held now, Parker would go first, Levine second, Wiggins third. Well, Embiid first if healthy.


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