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Going to be one heck of a race centering around those 2. Maybe Lady of Venice will turn things around and lets also not forget about Film Maker. Honey Ryder as well. What a nice race.

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Originally Posted by Gander

Going to be one heck of a race centering around those 2. Maybe Lady of Venice will turn things around and lets also not forget about Film Maker. Honey Ryder as well. What a nice race.

Tim none of those mares have her figs, or her tactical speed or her consistency.
Shes really special.

i think angara is 'our' best shot. wait a while next. gorella will be charging late, as always--question always with a closer is will they get there in time???

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

That's fine, but I'm taking a stand. :)

Although there are many nice horses, I see more versatality in her.

oh yeah, she's versatile--definitely a strong point that goes in her favor. gorella for instance is NOT. she's a damn good horse, but closers are so easily knocked out of their game.

but that mare from england is always at the top of her game, and will be taking both a weight and comp break when she runs at churchill. if i had to single one from the eight races, it'd be ouija board..

Zieg,
Top Rate Horses who need to wire on grass always take their beats.
Top Rate Horses who need to close always take their beats.
Top Rate Horses who can be placed on the lead, stalking, or off the pace, well they are TOUGH to beat!!!

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

I like her too.....behind Wait A While, just like I had her behind Intercontinental last year. ;)

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Originally Posted by goingtothewhip

Slow Man... he would fit better with a donkey? LOL! Oh man....vintage material :rolleyes: .

You must really kill your friends with that sterling wit at your dungeons and dragons meetings.
I don't rate the Tin Man at all btw, but for someone who claims not to care about horses .....this one has really got under your skin. Embrace that passion and turn it into something positive. ;)

f*ck you and your advice to be positive.

I dont care about the well being of horses, or of humans for that matter, but it does not mean that I dont like/hate horses.

however, I dont hate the tin man for any other reason besides the fact that he is slow.

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

I dug up my PPs for the 2003 Breeders Cup and had a look at The Tin Man's only win at 12f. It was the San Luis Obispo H at Santa Anita in February, on yielding ground against an undistinguished field. He put up fractions of 51, 1:15:3 , 2:05:4, and 2:31:1, was ridden out, in hand late. The previous fall at Arlington for the BC Turf on yielding ground, he put up similar fractions of :51:1, 1:17, 2:05:4, but was passed late by High Chaparral and two others to be fourth in 2:30. On firm at Hollywood in May 03, he set the pace in :49:1, 1:13:1, 1:59:4, then stopped to a walk to finish beaten 14 lengths.

I love The Tin Man for his tenacity and consistency, however 12f is beyond his scope against top horses. If the BC Turf were 10f, he'd be a top contender, but it isn't, so I will be opposing him if he starts.

you bring up good points(and evidence) on the distance issue,
but there is a real class issue that exists as well.

12f, 10f, 8f, whatever..........he is not going to beat the type of turf horses we saw today in the Arc.
he simply has never measured up to those types of turf horses.

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Originally Posted by oracle80

The Tin man is a great horse to root for, especially since Honu helps train him!
But if you really think that barely hanging on agaisnt those horses after cutting a soft pace(but nowhere near as soft a pace as he set in the Million) makes him a legitmate BC Turf contender, well, then we will just have to strongly disagree.

thats putting it nicely.

I sure hope he shows in the BC though.
always good to have stupid money in the pool for these BC turf races.

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Originally Posted by repent

Go f*ck yourself (to quote our mongoloid Vice Pres).

I don't like him because he's old.... :confused:

You don't care about horses/peoples well being , but you still reserve the right to love/hate them? Is that some sort of Neo-nihilisim? Sounds like a lot of work for not caring.