Because the new restrictive voter ID laws say that on election day, voters are not allowed to vote with a copy of current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter.

Even if a poll worker recognizes, you, and knows you, and knows where you live, you cannot vote without your photo ID in some of these states. That is simply WRONG, to require more stringent requirements to vote on election day, than it takes to register to vote. That's absurd. And discriminatory.

Yeah, how about all those dead people in Chicago that voted for Obama?
Isn't that voter fraud?...Or doesn't it matter if you are dead?...:eek:

I think the reasons against the voter ID law is much more discriminatory than the actual voter ID law.

Good grief. There is so much published on "voter fraud", one just has to google it, to see it is virtually non-existent nowadays.

And the fraud that is there is usually due to poll workers, NOT people pretending to be who they are not voting.

The Southern Strategy lives, as does Voter Disinfranchisement. The ultra-cons hated the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and they are still fighting it.

Best tweet of the day Saturday:

the issue democrats have with the law isn't that it's discriminatory...it's that they feel it would hinder their supporters. which makes you wonder who some of their supporters are. it's got nothing to do with constitutionality, obviously they don't care about that ol' piece of paper.

almost 500 views on this thread, about 1/3 that many on the u.s. can kill it's own thread. but this issue is so much more important, especially since the other doesn't exactly paint dem. politicians in a good light.

Seriously? You are actually trying to diss "who some of their supporters are"? You say the Dems don't care about Constitutionality?

Yeah: Dems supporters tend to be the poor, the elderly, and people of color. So what? It's not like the GOP ever embraces those folks. Exactly who the GOP wants to disinfranchise. And why some voter ID laws are being found unconstitutional. Because in America, you can't disinfranchise only certain segments of the population unfairly.

And yeah, that is exactly discriminatory.

Why wouldn't the democrats spend their time, money and efforts in helping this so called group of disenfranchised voters obtain an ID instead of spending all their time, money, etc fighting it. Wouldn't that actually make sense? Government provides free state IDs to those who need it. Why not set up free state ID day, etc. and set up places all across the state to obtain an ID for any who need them

shocking news

1) Because we have a Constitution giving all citizens the same freedoms, and anti-constitutional things must be fought. And they are being fought. And they are being overturned as unconstitutional.

2) Yes, the Dems are trying to help people get voter ID's from what I can see.

The law has today been overturned as unconstitutional according to the Wisconsin State Constitution. Not needed.

We have a constitutional right to own a gun yet you can't get one without an ID. Isn't that same segment disenfranchised from owning a gun?

"Democrats, don't forget to set your clocks forward an hour tonight. Republicans, don't forget to set your clocks back 200 years."


:D:D :D

I don't know. Why don't you ask the judges that just overturned the voting ID law as unconstitutional according to the Wisconsin State constitution.

How do you know for sure that the person that voted was actually that person if they do not show an ID? If I go into a city and I know a person's name and address I could actually cast a vote as that person if they were a registered voter. For instance what if I look thru the death notices the week prior then find that persons name and address (easily done with the internet) I could go vote as that person and only if the polling person knew that person would it be an issue at the polling place.

You should be thrilled the second judge permanently overturned the Wisconsin Voter ID law today.

It will enable blaming cries of "voter fraud!" to continue unchecked if the recall election doesn't come out the way the Republicans hope.

"A government that undermines the very foundation of its existence - the people's inherent, pre-constitutional right to vote - imperils its legitimacy as a government by the people, for the people, and especially of the people," said the eight-page opinion by Dane County Judge Richard Niess.

"It sows the seeds for its own demise as a democratic institution. This is precisely what 2011 Wisconsin Act 23 does with its photo ID mandates."

Niess' opinion in it's entirety, here:
http://media.jsonline.com/documents/voteridruling.pdf

Still waiting for your link on the mining company.

BTW- on the environment seeing that your family is invested into Racine Lake Michigan lake frontage-how come you never spoke out about the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewer District. Doesn't it concern you that they dump millions of gallons of RAW sewage directly into lake Michigan (with the failed deep tunnel project). or the Asian Carp invasion into lake michigan or the polution from Gary, IN or Chicago that goes into the lake. I am guessing because Walker had nothing to do with those so why speak out about those issues.

Well, that would be a really stupid guess.

I am amazed, at people who put everything into a political-hate view. What is wrong with you? What a sad way to live, with such hate, distrust, and anger.

I've worried about what is being dumped into Lake Michigan since the 1960's, thanks. Grew up drinking Lake Michigan water in northern Illinois.

And my family has owned and lived on that Racine land (not "invested") ... well, since it had about 100 yards more beachfront.

i wonder if obama checked i.d. before they killed that us citizen in yemen? wonder how that all stands constitutionally??

No hate on my side. I am not the one who takes everything my govenor does and spews hatred. I have no hate for the left or the democrats. That is coming from your side not mine. I disagree with a lot of the democrats in my state and I have seen what they have done to our state. I disagree with many of their arguments and points of view. No hate though. I am not the one calling my govenor a crook, the devil and just hoping that he gets put in jail. I don't point out every time a democrat does something bad or illegal in my state and post threads about their every actions. I actually want my state to suceed, prosper and grow. I want things to be good. I want unemployment to decrease. I want businesses to want to come to WI. I want my property taxes to decrease or stay flat. I want to keep agriculture, manufacturing, etc in my state. I do not hope for bad news. I don't care if the person in office is white, black, hispanic, male, female, democrat, republican etc. I want my elected officials to have the best interest of the majority of the people of WI in mind and do what is right for WI. We have excellent representatives on the National level from our state who are speaking the Truth and challenging both democrats and republicans (see Paul Ryan and Ron Johnnson). I also believe that Scott Walker has done a lot of good for our state and we are starting to see some of those benefits (they take time to go into effect) I do not want our country or my state to go down the path that Greece did or the state of California or Illinois. No hate though. Try looking somewhere else for your hate.

The cognitive dissonance is remarkable :tro:

What will be your excuse if Walker ends up charged with a crime during the John Doe investigation? That it's all a Democratic plot?

What is your explanation for Walker not correcting the massive budget deficit he inherited? What is the excuse for his own budget being 140 million in the hole? What is the excuse for 7 straight months of job loss in Wisconsin, 49th in the nation?

What you pretend to want for Wisconsin, and what you actually support, are opposites. If a Democratic Gov. was currently doing the above, your head would be exploding, and you know it. If you were truly impartial for your wishes for Wisconsin, you'd acknowledge the above has happened, rather than try and deny and justify it.

BTW - Paul Ryan's federal budget plan would add trillions to our debt. And that's not a "democratic" nor a "republican" opinion, it's just fact.

You should look in the mirror. Still waiting for my mining link

As I said posts ago, you'll be holding your breath a long time as long as you're too lazy to check out the CEO's press conference.

Gov. Walker is none of what you say you want. He is, however, the opposite:

No correction to WI inherited budget deficit.
Own budget $140 million in deficit.
Taking money from housing settlement citizens.
Union-busting in face of massive concessions.
GOP redistricting ordered by judge to stop as illegally done.
Used taxpayer money to pay for GOP-only lawyers for redistricting.
Nearly entire former office convicted of felonies/misdemeanors for election fraud, embezzlement.
Governor himself under investigation for same, now has defense fund.
Seven straight months of job loss, 49th in country.

It's pretty obvious which side needs to look in the mirror.

No political hate coming from you. Most of the above is untrue but I am not going to waste my time proving this to you since you don't listen to facts any way.

Have you ever thought to yourself that a politician sounds great and makes all of these promises when he/she campaigns and then when he/she gets into office they fall into line and nothing changes. Walker made some tough hard stands that not every one likes but at least he made a stand unlike 99% of politicians.

I have one question for you since you have family that live in WI. Do you have any family members in the state of WI that work in public service in the state of WI? (i.e.- government, county, state, public education, etc?)

They're make believe anyway, just like the muslim grad students and holocaust survivor living in her neighborhood.

You're right: some in Walkers office have only been charged, not yet convicted, of felonies and misdemeanors for election fraud and embezzlement.

And listing the facts involving Walker's disastrous term of governorship so far isn't "hate". That's absurd.

What is the point of taking a "tough hard stand" in overwhelming opposition to what your states citizens want?

Walker hasn't corrected any inherited budget deficit. Walker's own budget is $140 million in the hole. He hasn't "balanced" anything. Wisconsin is 49% in the nation in job creation, it's had months of straight job loss. It's a disaster.

And he, and his Republican state legislature, are the leaders of that. And that is why they are undergoing a historic recall. The citizens are not happy with their stewardship. That has nothing to do with "hate".

Nope. You? :D

LOL - you and your prejudices! That's sad.

Don't drink and post. You look stupid lying about what people have said.

Walker's approval rating is better than Obama's so what does that tell you. I believe he beats Obama by 10+ points so I guess if you actually believed that this you would be fighting what Obama is doing

Unemployment is at the lowest level WI has seen in the last 4 years. Remember Job creation doesn't happen overnight and it definitely doesn't happen when the democrats fight everything you try to do in court to create jobs. You can't yell about jobs when your side is out there fighting companies that want to bring jobs to the state.

Yes I have plenty of family members and relatives that work in public service in WI. I have even more friends many whom are employed by the City or County of Milwaukee. Many of them are not happy about some of the changes Walker has brought, but understand why things needed to change. Nobody is ever happy when things are taken from them. A lot of them are not very happy with their own union and how things were handled by their union after Walker's changes

:zz: You think politicians should be supported by people based upon peer pressure from other citizens? That if other people think a politician is popular, you should support him, too? That's crazy!

You don't really think like that, do you?

Walker isn't running against President Obama. Walker is trying to run his state. Walkers approval ratings compared to other governors of other states doesn't even matter. All that matters is what Walker's citizens think of his performance.

And enough of them are upset with his poor performance, that he's undergoing a recall election, along with four more State legislators, and the Lt. Governor.

Now, they may all win, they may all lose, it may be split, but that's the fact of it.

Wisconsin is 49th in job creation, seven straight months of job losses. Yes, one can yell about that.

I wish you'd stop with the "your side" stuff. This isn't South American soccer.

Yes indeed: many people have concerns about removing regulations that protect the environment; and do not support "job creation" at any environmental cost.

And they are free to vote in the recall elections.

Walker asked for massive concessions from the unions, to help with budgeting, and the unions gave those concessions to him right away, and willingly.

So Walker continuing on to bust the unions, for no reason, to remove their rights as workers, in a state with a long history of strong unions and a strong middle class formed from unions, was abhorrent to them.

So you finally admit the muslim grad students and holocaust survivor, the basis for your posts, were made up?

I'll drink to that in about 2 hours.

How about your dead veteran anscestors support of building a NYC mosque? Coming clean about that at the same time?

No, you moronic idiot. You're a joke. And a rather sad one.

What I actually said is yes, I worked with several women Muslim grade students at the University of Illinois-Urbana in the Veterinary Research Department. And yeah, we talked about cultural issues, including arranged marriages.

And yes, when I was a paramedic in the late 1970's, early 1980's, I got to met several elderly holocaust survivors. Have you ever been to Skokie? The northwest side of Chicago? Evanston? I was very glad to have that opportunity to talk with them.

:zz: Sorry, you've apparently confused me with another one of your delusions. Is that like your other babblings?

That's not nice..:D

LOL. You are right.

I'll bet your kids were well-behaved with that parental tactic when they were two?

Another Day, another Court finds Scott Walker in yet different trouble
 

Poor Governor Scott Walker. He just can't win. Turns out his stint as Milwaukee County Executive, aside from being the current subject of an FBI John Doe investigation that has resulted in multiple felony and misdemeanor charges against his office aides, and has the Governor retaining two defense lawyers and starting up a legal defense fund .... well, now it turns out he did some things he couldn't back as County Executive and is now costing the country millions.

So guess what? Due to Walker's mistakes, you're not only broke now, Milwaukee County - you are so in debt you'll have to do massive layoffs.

Yikes.

Yeah. I think this guy will be recalled. He's simply incompetent. And too expensive to be in power. What other secret lawsuits are pending due to Walker's incompetence and disregard of the law?

It's clear why Walker wanted to remove union rights from employees - it's so he can screw them with impunity. Well, this judge says you can't, Walker. So pay back the millions you have now cost Milwaukee County through your illegal treatment of union employees.

Were you as outraged about their acceptance of arranged marriages, you know men dictating who women will marry and who they will have sex with the rest of their lives as you are about pre-abortion ultra-sounds? Just wondering?

I lived in Evanston at one time and grew up with kids who had holocaust surviving grandparents (a lot from Skokie and a lot of them) so fall off that pretentious high horse your on.

Not on a high horse. Just pointing out that you calling me a liar about my having meet holocaust victims in my life, and knowing Muslim grad students, is simply you lying. I accept your apology for lying.

Still curious......Were you as outraged about their acceptance of arranged marriages, you know men dictating who women will marry and who they will have sex with the rest of their lives as you are about pre-abortion ultra-sounds?

Again. I accept your apology for deliberately lying about what I have said.

Great

Were you as outraged about their acceptance of arranged marriages, you know men dictating who women will marry and who they will have sex with the rest of their lives as you are about pre-abortion ultra-sounds?

and more or less?

You really seem to have a mental problem, with your overactive stalker-like interest in what I have posted on this site over the years.

There are archives. Just sit in front of your computer and read them, if what I have said in the past matters so very much to you. I find you creepy.