312 - c. Danzig - Sharp Minister sold for 9.2 Million

318 - c. Vindication - Silvery Swan sold for 4.6 Million

I guess the Mineshaft/Dear Birdie didn't sell well, huh? Disappointing sale for Mineshaft, I think.......but worse for Indy. I don't think he's ever had worse sales results than this one....

Mineshaft - Dear Birdie hasn't sold yet.

The Victory Ride colt sold for over a million.


Why does Rick Porter keep spending so much money on Unbridled Song's when he is SO unsuccessful with them? Rockport Harbor was a one race pony.

Maybe because they look "racy." LOL.

your kidding right 1.3 million

Nice Kingmambo colt breaks yearling record at $11.7 M....wow...insane!!! :D

Check out the body on that Danzig colt on the website! At this rate I can't wait until they get a picture of the Kingmambo up!

No, I wasn't. I obviously posted this before he sold. I got this colt confused with another one........$1.3 is pretty nice.
I also noticed that this was a terrible sale for AP Indy - I've never seen worse. He had one go for over $1 million (the Serena's Song colt), another for about $975, 000.00, but overall.........lots of RNA's and middling prices.

Betsy,
I honestly believe that folks just conceded the first two days to the Maktoums and are looking at books 3 and 4 in hopes of landing one.

that's an interesting point mike and could explain some rather uninspiring prices on nice horses.

not so sure that the sheik wants good horses, i think he just wants to beat out coolmore....

why? because he CAN!

sweet on that danzig!!

LOL, that's probably true. I'm not upset, just rather surprised. However, it's not like they sold for $30,000.......someone, somewhere, got a nice Indy yearling for a fraction of what they thought they were going to pay.

Danzig has died, so these are some of his last yearlings - no wonder they sold so well. Can't blame the Sheikhs for wanting to get their hands on some precious commodities.

Interesting sale in that some younger sires made their mark -Distorted Humor, Mr. Greely, etc.......

Trying not to be rude here Betsy but you obviously have not seen many sales AP Indy has done alot worse Heck I remember when One sold for $6,000 at the September sale. If you really want to see what I am Talking About go to Keenelands Web site And Search the Sales Results. Believe What I am telling you he has had horses sale for 25k 27k 32k all in Sept. This may have not been his best year but in now way was it his worse.

Unless you have unlimited money, the first couple of day of that sale are a total waste. The prices are just crazy. We pretty much don't even waste our time looking at any horses that are going in the ring on Day 1 or Day 2. There is a chance of finding something for a relatively reasonable price on Day 3, but even Day 3 has pretty high prices. We do most of our buying on Days 4-9 or so. You can find a lot of nice horses in the $100,000 range on these days.

I was going to point out a few but could point out many more than a few who went surprisingly low, they couldnt all have been crooked.
The shock of the century was Smarty Jones full sister selling for less than 300 grand. I mean are you kidding me? If he pans out as a sire then shes worth 20 times that as a broodmare and Ed gaudet of Maryland got her.
Bottom line is that for the folks who got the big money, they love the Coolmore/Maktoum feud. But many many consignors are in mortal agony right now after getting about 1/5th- 1/2 of what they thought they would get.
I know several folks in business with big bucks who said they werent even gonna have anyone vet out or look at the yearlings in the first two days.
I honestly believe that everyone believed that anything worth having would be bought by the Sheikhs, and that it was a waste of time.
The problem is that they didn't bid on anyone who wasnt on their list, they just bid determinedly on what they did want.
The averages may go up based on the top 10 big purchases, but overall I think there are a lotta disappointed folks tonight who got lots less than they thought they would.

i can't believe how low the full sis to smarty went for...she must be crooked or something.

lol oops, oracle already mentione crooked and smartys sister.

but after seeing horses like wild fit go for what they went for(she of course was purchased after the bcjf for her future worth as a broodmare), i just can't get over it.

She may not have scoped well. They scope these yearlings the same way they scope the 2 year olds at the 2 year old sales. If a horse has a really bad throat, that will knock their price way down.

Another thing that can hurt the sales prices are chips. A lot of these horses have chips. Just from running around out in the pasture as yearlings, they get chips. Depending on how bad the chip is, it can have a big impact on the sales price. You would be shocked at how amny of these yearlings have chips. I don't know the exact number but it's probably somewhere around 10-20%.

you would just think tho that she would have more value than that as a broodmare....i'm surprised, but probably not as surprised as her seller!

who knows, hell they can't all go for 8-10 mill...

When rich people cry poverty you know they are making money. $300k for any horse, even Smarty's sister, ain't chop liver.

coolmore got a danzig as well:


Coolmore gets its Danzig


A few hours after being outbid for the sale-topping colt by Danzig, John Magnier got the other top colt from the last crop of that great sire and sire of sires, going to $5.2-million for a colt out of the Roberto mare Al Theraab. Consigned by Dave Parrish's Indian Creek as agent, the bay is half brother to two stakes winners by Danzig's best sire son Danehill.

"He's a nice Danzig, isn't he?" said Demi O'Byrne, who signed the ticket for the partnership that includes Magnier and Michael Tabor. "He's from the last crop of a great sire of sires and he's really a great deal like him."

Photo of Kingmambo colt:

http://pictopia.com/perl/gal?gallery...encenum=&page=

Boy is he proud of himself! :cool:

It shouldn't hurt their prices too much because if a horse has a chip and you buy it then X-ray afterward and find a chip, you can turn it back and not pay for the horse....

I never X-ray horses anymore UNTIL I buy them because it cost too much money X-raying every damn horse you may be interested in....you wait and buy them and THEN you x-ray them after they get out of the ring and if they don't vet out you turn them back to the seller and don't pay....

Throats are a little different...if there is some sort of disfunction or paralysis than you can turn back a horse after you buy it and discover it has a bad throat.....yet, if you are a pinhooker and a horse has a functional throat but it may rate out as a "B" throat and not an "A" throat (the best and onlt thraots that pinhookers will buy to be able to resell the prospect down the road) then you are stuck with the horse.....

Why waste vet charges evaluating 25 horses before a sale if you are only planning on buying 3 or 4 of them that wind up fitting in your price range?...It is wasted cost and the very reason there is a turn-back policy at the sales - to protect the purchaser's risk and cost output....

Guys, guys, guys!!!...I'll Get Along sold a couple of years ago for many millions of dollars to the group that just sold this full to Smarty Jones....I GUARANTEE you that they knew what they were selling and had a reserve on her that was relavent to her value....that, I can assure you of.....these guys aren't stupid and they just didn't get rid of her because they needed the money....she had to have been well sold for that prce or they would not have done that, especially considering the millions they spent on I'll Get Along after Smarty's fame....

I guarantee you that she has some serious issues with her somewhere that provided for a lot of risk with her.....

Of course he's going to spin it that way....Danehill is Danzig's only real success at stud...period....even Rock of Gibraltar's first crop is VERY average considering the book of mares he got over there across the pond....very average.....

I respect that you like him and thats fine, as he was a great RACEHORSE stallion and is very good on the broodmare side...his shortcomings have come as a sire of sires though.....Demi is just upset that he hasn't been able to match strides with the Shieks so far at this sale and this colt is the only "big" horse that he has gotten to this point, so what do you think hes going to say to make his purchase look ingenious?

Not At Keeneland for the yearling sale if you buy one and he has got a chip he yours. that is why every yearling has to have a set of X rays in the repository.

Now if you buy a yearling and re xray it and find a chip and that same chip is not on the consignors xrays in the repository then you can return it.

I believe you are correct. They have different rules at different sales. At some sales, it is your responsibility to check the x-rays in the repository. If you don't check and then realize that the horse has a chip, it's too bad. You're stuck with the horse. You can only return the horse if they have a new injury that did not show up on the original x-rays.

At other sales, you don't need to have the horse vetted until after you buy the horse. If the horse has a fracture or chip you can void the purchase.

i figured as much. i knew that the dam was snapped up when smarty hit the trail...no way this was in their plan, but it certainly happens to all those involved in this sport at some point.

I think its becoming obvious that the only way to now attempt to become successful in this game is to start your own breeding operation.
Very few in the game have the resources to bid as much as the Sheikh or Coolmore do on the exceptional looking/bred yearlings at sales such as this.
Instead of spending 11 million on a Kingmambo, you can buy nice mares and breed to them.
I think that the bloodstock game is shifting, and that mares are going to become more coveted than stallions, if they aren't already.
I also find it hysterical that a pinhooker spends one million on a horse with the intent to flip it at a 2Yo in training sale. Who would ever have imagined that? That a pure pinhooker would spend a million on a horse?
The only way that anyone is going to have the slightest chance to succeed against the excessive spending by the two largest players is going to be to breed their own.

I loved Smarty Jones, but he wasn't the most impressive looking horse to grace the cover of Blood-Horse. Someone said they would have picked his sister up at least for a broodmare prospect, but her progeny may or may not be all that 'commercial' in appearance. That said, if I was playing with the sort of money that most of these folks have, I'd probably bid in the hopes that lightning struck twice on the track. It's all a game of chance and luck.

Correct, homebreds really are the way to go with the occasional buy at auction or a horse who is currently racing at the track and will be a good introduction of new lines to your current program. If you noticed Shadwell bought LOTS of fillies, I have a feeling that not only are they going to step up their game in America, but they are going to breed them themselves. (Jazil will be your leading sire in no time! :D ) It will be interesting to see if 5 o 6 years from now if the sheiks stop buying so much at auction because of this.

There is possible talk that Hoby may be keeping that horse even though he said it was a pinhook. I don't know, but I agree a million purchase to pinhook is crazy, The Green Monkey only happened once...

Racing Post headline over a photo of Dettori being led out, with a grim look on his face-

Cheer up Frankie - the boss has spent $11.7m on a new recruit!

Smary Jones is as crooked as they come. It's no surprise to me that his full sister would probably be the same way. Lightning could strike twice though and if they could keep her sound, who knows? :confused:

Gonna have a darn nice catalogue page, though. Black-type every generation and solid winners aside from the stakes horses.

Look over the pedigree pages of the RNA's in the past two days...there are so many black-type pages offered that one can afford to pass on the lesser conformed individuals even if they have great pedigrees. Athleticism w/ pedigree is what is going to get the big money. Not to mention, save Smarty, if his sister's progeny go through the ring and she doesn't pan out as a racehorse, there is very little black type left in the first & second dams so the page is really going to pale in comparison with a lot of other horses going through the ring.

http://www.keeneland.com/sales/sep06/pdfs/233.pdf

You mean Ruffian via her sire Reviewer, who wasn't the soundest horse (only managed 13 starts in 3 campaigns, in a era when that was one year's work for many), right? Reviewer's champion sister Queen of the Stage had a similar record. But some other foals of their dam Broadway seem to be sounder (Great White Way, Will Hays) and Flitabout's own foals look to have been fairly sturdy. I'd be inclined to fault Reviewer's sire Bold Ruler more than Flitabout, since he had his share of soft horses out of stoutish mares (compare Boldnesian with half-sister Princessnesian).

Yeah, thats what I meat...that is fairly the process....I guess what I'm saying is that you don't have to incrue a big expense up front to have an understanding of what you are getting and I think many people don't know that.....the repository protects the owners, however, many of those x-rays were taken a couple of months prior to the sales ad before the horses were shiped to the sales grounds - so it is always good practice to x-ray your horses arterwards...

The really scary thing is that they own many of the blueblood mares too from buying the best at the KEE November sale the last 15 years.....they themselves are breeding there own nicehomebreds like Balletto and Bernardini, etc....scary to think they only paid stud fee ($300,000) for Bernardini :D

It may happen. And the occasional purchase at an auction of a reasonably priced horse. Some mares should not be bred due to lack of overall pedigree, but some mares have every right to be bred.