Well no, it wasn't worse than Milwaukee. Kent made one stupid mistake in that race. Gomez made 14 or 15 in his ride on Milwaukee. Rupert has an agenda, so dont listen to him so far as GG(you can listen to him on everything else), he has the audacity to say she had no run when clear!! LOL!!!! Well geez, after steadying and being choked 14 or 15 times for 11 panels of a 12 panel race, horses tend not to fire so hot the last 1/8th.:rolleyes:

Well he may not have to run bent in half but he will have to face Showing Up....it's going to be a good one!

Belmont - JCGC day 2006, now this is going to be a GREAT day! Invasor v. Bernardini!

you can not even compare a derby with the travers. derby day is probably the best day all year. the entire week is great. there are 5 grade 1's on preview day at belmont and many europeans are there. the knock on the travers is that it often does not get a third of the good horses from the derby. it is like a derby for a few east coast horses. i have been to 4 of the last 5 travers and it is usually not even the best day of the meet. you can not be serious if you say breeders cups do not compare with the travers. i am guessing you went to belmont breeders cups that do not even fill up the grandstand and you like the crowds, because you can not compare an entire day of grade 1 races with a mid summer derby that often gets just 2 or 3 good horses.

I'm hoping someone writes a book about Capping on Poly by Christmas! :D

I had Noble Stella so I thought the ride on Milwaukee was brilliant! ;)

Noone is comparing either day with travers day, thats just you trying to use the strawman tactic to divert away from the original argument.
Derby day, and BC Day are obviously the two biggest days of the year. No question.
Oaks day at Cd is tremendous as well.
But saratoga is not about a day Mr Strawman, its about a meet. You walk through CD on Wednesday after the Derby, and there arent 5 thousand people at the place.
Umm, Revvy boy, would you care to tell us what meet has more grade ones AND grade twos than any meet in the country?
Umm, revvy boy, would you care to tell us what meet has the highest average attendance of any meet in the country?
And would you care to tell us what meet has the highest average handle of any meet in the country?
Now why do you think this is?

the average purses at keeneland are higher than saratoga. that is all i need to know. i do not care about claiming races. many claiming races are better than those awful new york bred races. some of those horses are glorified cheap claimers. those new york horses are terrible.

NO NO not yesterday!!! Milwaukee was overmatched yesterday and had no real shot in my opinion.
It was the ride in her first spa race. Get out your DRF form froom yesterday, the little chart call line said "steadied repeatedly".

yeah Ny breds like :) Fleet Indian who are kicking the hell out of all those blueblood Ky breds right?

LOL, I was wondering why you had her and I missed the race you were talking about, but I see what you mean now!

The killer move for me was my own. Last race of the day this past Sunday I wrote down my picks, but figured I'd quite while I was ahead and didn't bet them lo and behold, I had the tri for $815.00 :(

i know you can not be serious. KY breds won probably 14 of the 15 grade 1's at saratoga. NY breds are not even competitive with KY breds. NY breds are nice animals but they can not compete with the bluebloods from KY. just to let you know fleet indians sire stands in KY just like all the top sires. the farms surrounding keeneland are just another thing that makes keeneland more appealing than saratoga.

I have never been to Saratoga, would love to though. I have been to Belmont Park and in fact saw the last 2 Woodwards with Ghostzapper and Saint Liams wins. I think the racing on the East Coast is steeped with a lot of tradition, I enjoy it immensly, but being from California I appreciate our racing here just as much. I have had the privelidge of watching some of the greatest horses in the world here in my own backyard, from Seattle Slew, Affirmed and Spectacular Bid to John Henry and Cigar. I think anyone who could question the quality or history of West Coast racing is just as stupid or uninformed as anyone knocking East Coast racing, essentially the best horses are usually from Kentucky breeding farms, it's their geographic locations that determine their careers in the long run.

I also have never been to a more beautiful track than Santa Anita, with the snow-capped San Gabriel mountains in the background, and anyone who thinks that Del Mar's atmosphere and ambiance is nothing, doesn't have a heart or doesn't know how to have fun, the view, the weather, the ocean proximity, the nightlife, it;s second to none, and seeing horses working in the ocean mist of the morning is our own version of heaven on earth.

Oh yes!!! All the folks I know go to a track to take in farms. Nothing like walking in horse manure after the last race is over to set your mind at ease.
Sadly in saratoga people have to resort to dreary old Siro's, the Horseshoe Inn, and Brunos. Imagine all those follks drinking and dancing and listening to music when they could be at a farm.
I guess they just don't get it.

the travers experience is great, like no other, but all three of the big tracks, four if you include churchill offer something. the saratoga is better than anything else crowd gets old after awhile. the racing at the three big meets is comparable too. the ny bred races and all the two year old races are not for everyone. i personally do not like them.

you miss the point. they all have something to offer. the keeneland meet in my opinion has better racing than saratoga. the few claimers are better than the constant two year old and new york races. you argument about restaurants is ridiculous. everyone knows del mar has the best surrounding atmosphere. i do not know if it is really worth arguing with a person that think ny bred horses can compete with KY breds. that is crazy.

this is excellent commentary. all the tracks have something to offer. it is silly to say that one track is much better than any other.

I agree that all have something great to offer.
Santa Anita is indeed beautiful. I was there over 20 years ago, but will never forget it.
Keeneland is nice, but kinda like Saratoga without any of the fun.
I hope to see del mar someday.

Well,I don't mind the cheap claiming races at Del Mar nearly as much as the MCL25K races (regardless of Calbred, or open.) I will tell you this though.Given the choice,I will try to wade through those races before I would touch those New York bred slot machine races.Even the NY BRED allowance races.You got that cheap Delta Sea pinballing in form,and beating horses by 5 at 8-1.Those NY Bred Turf races are all insider races.Folks,when they say the races are restricted to New York breds,you're best off to heed the warning,and only bet them if you yourself were bred there.I imagine they are a Godsend for those on the inside getting tipped off when cheap horses pinball into good form,but it really is better left to them.Now you add in the most crazy biased track in America(Saratoga,)and you have a game of BINGO.I am not a huge fan of playing races at either Del Mar,or Saratoga.I DIDN'T PLAY Toga,and played very little at Del Mar this year(still a little pain from BIG JACKSH#T losing the 7th by a nose yesterday,but it was a minor ticket.)The New York racing would be much better to bet on if they had an escape from New York breds P4,but that ain't gunna happen unless it's one of those nice big days.LIKE WHEN GARRETT GOMEZ F'D UP TM BLING,AND COST ME HUGE.Then he poors acid on my wound by saying atleast the horse learned something(even though he kept him intimidated the whole damn way.)Play where you like.For me,New York bred racing is like watching the Prarie Meadows,or the Indiana tracks.

Scuds,
Stop acting like an old hen and give me your thoughts on the Pirates Bounty tomorrow. It would be a feather in your cap if you could provide me the winner.

Scuds....don't mention Delta Sea around Gander.:eek: :eek:

LOL. I would have just lost that at that skumhole you made me go to last night!

If you wouldn't have made me drink all those beers, I wouldn't have felt like going there.

"and it's Limoncella and Eibar Coa......" F me:(

Its a good thing for me the Pirates Bounty is a mere 23 hours away.
Payback time for old Gander.

heh heh heh heh....

"I'm done until October 7th" Gander at 6:50a.m. this morning on the way to the airport.:D :D

I don't think Desormeaux made a mistake at all. I would take back every time going into the clubhouse turn rather than fight it out head and head on the lead.

With regard to Milwaukee, the horse had a ton of traffic trouble that day. There is no doubt about that. Come-from-behinders get into traffic trouble sometimes. There is no way to avoid it. Gomez drops further back than a lot of the other jockeys. The strategy obviously works well. Look at his win percentage. If you come from dead-last, you can either circle the field and go five-wide or you can try to save ground. If you try to save ground, you will get into trouble sometimes. So Gomez will probably get into a little more trouble than jockeys who won't drop that far back, but so what? It's a winning strategy overall. Who cares if he gets into trouble and blows a race once in while. He makes up for it by winning 4 other races that the other jockeys would have never won on the same horse. It's like complaining about a home-run hitter who struck out 50 times. If he has 40 home-runs and you compare him to a guy with 20 home-runs and 40 strike-outs, I'd rather strike out a few more times if I could hit an extra 20 home-runs.

With regards to Milwaukee, I know Oracle will disagree but I think she was really rank that day. A jockey is going to have no choice but to continuously check if his horse is rank in trafffic.

Stand up and salute the Captain! I've been waiting my whole life to bet this race.

Relaxed Gesture wasnt beating Go Deputy that day with any type of ride but he surely could have held off Gray Whistle for 2nd. Kent D is a very average rider who has his head up his ass. Problem is all these broads chasing him around. Hes got a little following, makes the Backstreet Boys look like your typical degenerate gambling track hanger outer.

Bullsh*t....you have been waiting since Point Ashley kicked you in the nuts last night to bet this race.

Next time we go to the harness track to bet simulcast...I want it to be while they are actually running at the track there too.

But what do you do if the horse breaks sharper than usual and is keen for the lead? If he stays on the engine and slows down in the stretch, everyone is calling Kent an idiot for not taking back. He was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time with that horse.

Horses like Relaxed Gesture find ways to lose. He will be overbet AGAIN in the next race and he will find another way to lose.

Not going back there ever. Ever. Place is a pit. You wanna go there next time you come up here, be my guest. I'll leave the light on. No way for me.

Horses like Relaxed Gesture find ways to lose. He will be overbet AGAIN in the next race and he will find another way to lose.

Couldnt agree more. This horse is a money burning hanging no good barn animal. I'm sticking with the Tin Man. Hes a real horse.

I just don't see what there isn't to like....plenty of secondhand smoke, cardboard style pizza (which taste really good after alot of beer), semi-cold draft beer...

semi cold draft beer

equals

me wanting to upchuck

I'm done till I get paid again. I refuse to lie anymore. I am such a loser at times. But I will say this, proclaim it and probably live to regret it, I will cash a Pick 4 sometime soon that pays more then $30 and will cash a Pick 3 that pays more then $3.80 on a dollar. :o double that face

I will not be playing anyhting this weekend cause my annual trip to Eldora Speedway to partake in the biggest short track event each year is upon me, oh yeah lots of women who are attractive and even have teeth, etc, nevermind


Time to finish up my little project which is cleaning the bathroom

I'll take Sal Gonzalez and Proud Cardenal.Btch ain't gunna hide one on me anymore.If he doesn't fire,so be it.

I have never heard of Proud Cardenal Scuds. Sounds like as good as any. I'll
try him. Thanks.