Fine coming

yo yo yo. yeah, i agree with you. I never liked the Stewards down south, and they always scared me when I had horses involved. I would have taken 1/5 odds that they would take down Game On Dude. The Sutherland charm, couple with Big Bob helped them, but that was pathetic overall.

but hey, can't blame all of the west coast. The stewards in Golden Gate would have DQ'd Game On Dude.:)

at golden gate i should say. I type too fast for my own good :zz:

He has absolutely no shame. Hence the pathetic redboarding and signature.

Seems like a foul is a foul..... Only at Woodbine. :(

Go Canada!

Did you look at the harrow marks? It was a line right down the center of the track - there was very little shifting from GoD, enough to stay up. If he comes down, I benefit more from the bridgejumpers. I thought it was the right call.

Absolutely the right call. The question that has to be answered is did Game On Dude cause the bumping (no) and then if he did, did he cause Twirling Candy a placing (hell no). When you look at it this way, there's no question that they made the right call. Twirling Candy was done by that point and the saving grace of the whole race is that Game On Dude had enough heart to get back in front of Setsuko at the wire. If he hadn't, Setsuko would have won the damn race and Game On Dude would have been an unfair loser after he was bothered at the top of the lane.

She hit Game on Dude to try to get him to float Candy Out coming into the stretch. Believe me, she's hitting left handed to try to come out n' make it tight on the chalk horse. Lets not kid ourselves, this happened because she wanted to make it tight. On the turn, look at the space between her horse and T Candy. Where went that space? I'll tell ya where it went. She ate that space up coming out of that turn. She hits him left and floats out (just as they are coming out of that turn.) That's why there's no room for any shifting about. She didn't have to come out much in the stretch (for there to be a problem.) She had already made it incredibly tight. This bitch mainly caused this trouble by being reckless coming into the stretch. It was more than Joel expected, and Victor had already committed to not giving him any room. Indian Charlie is correct about her coming out, but it's mainly as they came into the stretch. People aren't seeing what she did. I consider what Victor did to be borderline race riding. What she did coming off that turn is really reckless.

She comes out as they came into the stretch. Watch her float quickly out, and Joel has to float into Setsuko. Victor reacts by giving T Candy a bump. T Candy is tired, and comes in at the same time as Chantal's horse is moving out. Chantal's horse is moving out (slightly) because she hit him 3 times lefty. I think it's really pushing it to call what she did race riding. If you're gunna let this bitch float out that much coming into the stretch (nothing new by the way) then, you're gunna have guys reacting the way Victor did (bump from the outside.) I mean it's pretty amazing that the stewards blamed a horse who the other 2 horses intentionally sandwiched at the top of the stretch.

That's not what I saw. Maybe we had different angles.

Watch the head-on as they come in the stretch. How many lanes does she float out there? You can see that. Tell me. In an instant, the bitch takes a away Joel's room, and he has to float into Setsuko. The rest of it results from what she did right there. On the turn, you can see the space between her horse and Candy. It's not tight. Right when they straighten out into the stretch, she taps left, and floats the horse out. That's not enough. No, she hasn't made it tight enough on the chalk. She then taps lefty 3 times, and floats out a lil bit (as Candy floats in.)

I watched the head on for about 12 minutes after the race waiting for the decision. Do I really have to watch it again in order to disagree with you?

Yes, because you're ignoring what she did coming into the stretch. Why do you think these horses are ping ponging to begin with? She started that by forcing Joel into Setsuko as they came off that turn. People really can't see that huh. She floats out how many lanes coming into the stretch?

There's a reason why people can't see it.

Did you look at the freaking replay? Game On Dude ran sideways into Twirling Candy, the only reason the course was 'straight' was because Setsuko pinballed TC back towards Game On Dude.

Twirling Candy could still very well be the best horse in the world, im not giving up. Was checked three times, still a work in progress.

Oy vey.

In your best estimation, why did "Game On Dude [run] sideways into Twirling Candy?"

A left-hander from Chantal drove his hind end to the outside?

His own volition?

The fact that his hind end got knocked out from behind him and incredibly simple physics dictate what happens next?

I'm not following your anger on this one.

I'm not following everyone being 100% positive that Twirling Candy initiated the contact. It looked extremely close. But regardless, the idea that Game On Dude 'maintained a straight course' is laughable.

I'm not maintaining that he necessarily did, either. But is a half a path before a horse knocks your hind end a DQ offense?

We'll all have differing opinions, and at the very least, the decision was much closer/could've gone either way than your posts so far suggest.

As I told someone else tonight, I didn't bet the race, but could see the call going either way, but every time they showed the head-on, it became less and less obvious that Game On Dude should come down, and I'm glad he didn't, because you can't penalize him for the second bump, since that was TC's fault.

Dude, she forced TC wide coming into the stretch, and Victor didn't give ground. Hence, TC sandwich. Then, she again taps 3 times left, and comes out as TC comes in. If people would look, they'd see there isn't all that much lateral movement involved in that, but there is no room for any lateral movement, because the bitch is so intent on making TC tight. She is not innocent in that bump. She is moving out, and he's moving in. Matter of fact, he's trying to get back to the area of the track he was on before Joel let her float him out into Setsuko. Amazing how she can come to her right as much as she wants, but T Candy is at fault the 1st time he makes a slight left. This bitch hasn't stayed straight. If she'd of stayed straight coming into the stretch, then TC wouldn't of had contact with Setsuko.

Two thoughts:

First, you have to be about the biggest idiot in the world to make a $100,000+ show wager in an 11-horse field, especially on a horse who was completely unproven at the distance, and indeed showed distance limitations in the goodwood.

Second, it's unbelievable to me that the same bunch of stewards that unjustifiably DQ'ed The Wicked North for virtually no infraction in this same race in '94 could allow this result to stand, when Game on Dude clearly starts to come out immediately after Chantal hits him left-handed. It appeared to me that the momentum lost certainly could have cost TC 4th place, which would warrant a DQ.

When they 1st straighten into the stretch, do you see all that room between her and the fence? Do you really think she was that wide on the turn? Nope. She's trying to float them. At the very last instance of that float job, she lets him come out just too much, and Joel has to bump Setsuko. Victor also wants to make TC tight, but he's doing it in a fair manor. What he really did is show you exactly how much she's trying to float out. Victor keeps Setsuko the same distance from the rail. Well, as you can see, TC has no choice, but to run into Setsuko. He's being floated out into someone who refuses to move out (Victor doesn't have to move out just because this bitch decides to float Candy out.) So, Candy is forced into Setsuko. That 1st bump pushes Setsuko out towards the grandstand. It cost him some momentum (getting pushed sideways is not helpful.) Folks, you can stop the video right there. That next collision between TC and her horse is a 50/50, or 60/40. They got so infatuated with that collision that they lost track of the fact that she was earlier responsible for forcing TC into Setsuko. That's a foul. She 100% caused that foul. Both Victor and Chantal were trying to make it tough on T Candy. Victor did it by race riding (not giving ground when she floated T Candy out.) Chantal did it by fouling T Candy (she swerves out a lot just as they're about to straighten into the stretch.) Again that left handed whip. She came out too much right there. It forces TC into Setsuko. That's a foul. A foul they ignored, because they got interested in the more ugly bumping 3 or 4 seconds later.

The non DQ cost me the late P3 ($3) and late DD ($10). Agree it was tough but it is what you get when you wager out there. Althought I'll say that I think Phil said it best that after watching it a million times, there is really no right answer and I guess the safe call is to not touch it.

And quite honestly, Setsuko didn't really deserve to get put up with his hanging tendencies, he was loaded for bear on the final turn and just didn't want to pass a horse that got knocked around twice, had incompentency on his back, and was close to a pretty fast pace. He'll never win.

At least the R3/R4 DD at Parx was the overlay of the century, 1/5 over 5/1 pays $32, that helped the day along pretty well.

(now this is some redboarding!)

'''''damn good performance from game on.....

I can't wait to see what underlaid prices Turbulent Descent and Zazu are in the Oaks future wager next week. That race was an eyesore.

I'm just waiting to see if It's Tricky cracks the Top 10.

No chance. The California 3YOs are superior, it's just people like you and I who are missing out in not embracing them.

You and your unreasonable expectations..

I've been following Setsuko since his G1 place at SA over Lookin at Lucky last year and felt good about him getting the distance so I bet $2 on him to win and $3 to show along with a $1 exacta saver of 5 w/1,6. I was extremely disappointed they did not take Game on Dude down but want to thank all for their input. To read the variuos opinions help ease the pain of a really tough beat.

if a 70-1 shot would have took the favorite wide and the fav starts playing bumper cars with everyone

the 70-1 would have been taken down even if he did nothing wrong

Yes. The game is destined to run new players off. Who usually bets 70-1 shots? Crackheads and/or new bettors. You'll keep the crackheads and lose most of the new bettors save a few that are crackheads.

I cannot fathom how people can possibly watch the replay as many times as they showed it and think GOD did not bear out BADLY into TC and cause that chain reaction.

Did you only watch the part of the race where contact was first made, and not the several seconds prior to that?????????????

Un
Believe
Able.

I think the human race is getting dumber by the day, and yesterday was a big day.

I didn't watch the race. Santa Anita's "dirt" course sucks balls. All of the races are auto-tosses.

so if you bet 70-1 shots you are on crack

or the whole thing is just another popularity contest

I actually thought the explanation the stewards gave Trevor to give out was quite sensible. If you watch the head-on, because the pan shot is useless, it is noticeable that Twirling Candy leans in and hits Game on Dude. Now, the question becomes whether Game on Dude was coming out at the exact same time.

The stewards took an interesting view and I wonder how much Chantal pleading her case helped them take this approach. I imagine she was persuasive and said Twirling Candy initiated the contact.

Such detail. This would make an incredible porno with a script revision.

Having Chantal talking to you about twirling candy would have some kind of effect. No wonder the only vote to DQ was from the female steward.

Chantal called the stewards back after she watched the replay

really

you get to tell them what they are seeing?

how do you know the female steward wouldn't love for Chantal to whisper sweet nothings into her ear ?