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iamthelurker 09-08-2010 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 693457)
Wasn't getting my money enough?
HAHA you win.

Bigsmc 09-08-2010 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 693456)
Lose lose? How so? He still rides for Zito, Chad Brown, Carlos Martin, Tom Proctor, etc. He had a bad...okay, really bad meet. No one is denying that. But to act like a 25 year old jock's career is over because of a bad meet is ridiculous.

Here are the stats for Gulfstream this past winter.

http://www.gulfstreampark.com/RACING...ll+Statistics/

Lezcano rode more winners than Velazquez, Garcia, maragh and Leparoux. He won at a rate of 18%. Leparoux was 13%.

Here are the stats for the Spring Belmont meet.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbT...AT=J&STYLE=BEL

Lezcano won with 23% of his mounts and was 4th in wins despite riding many fewer horses than many of the top jocks.

Again, he had a bad meet. His career is far from over.
100% correct, but why bother? Dude obviously lost a wager on Fly Down and hopefully, he and the other Lezcano detractors don't ever wager on a horse he is riding again.

It was plain to see he wasn't riding well. What's so difficult about factoring that into your handicapping?

golfer 09-08-2010 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 693471)
100% correct, but why bother? Dude obviously lost a wager on Fly Down and hopefully, he and the other Lezcano detractors don't ever wager on a horse he is riding again.

It was plain to see he wasn't riding well. What's so difficult about factoring that into your handicapping?
Sure, and after I did that, this guy somehow channels Eddie Arcaro, or the Smashing Lad, William Buick, with the perfect ride he gave Keertana in the feature:zz:

GPK 09-08-2010 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by golfer (Post 693472)
Sure, and after I did that, this guy somehow channels Eddie Arcaro, or the Smashing Lad, William Buick, with the perfect ride he gave Keertana in the feature:zz:
He got lucky. He is clearly incompetent.:rolleyes: As an aside to the race, I wonder if Durkin will ever learn to properly pronounce Kiawah Cat?:wf:zz:

Coach Pants 09-08-2010 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 693371)
Any credibility gets lost with the inclusion of these names.
He included Martin Garcia too.

No way, no how.

GPK 09-08-2010 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 693365)
You're missing the point. MOST good jocks can keep horses on righty lead in the drive. If you watch enough races you realize that while horses do win when they don't change leads, they win even less when they stay on righty lead briefly, changing back lefty. This is because, obviously, they've gone around the turn lefty. Watching a few of Lezcano's rides makes it obvious that he not only is a very weak handler of horses when it counts, in the lane, but he's unable to keep them on righty lead. Clearly, there are horses that don't change leads or, even, more rarely, horses that change repeatedly. Typically, multiple changers are cheaper horses, mostly fillies, and sore horses. This isn't the case with Stevil. In fact, I believe that just about any other jock wins with Stevil last time out.

Is there an argument that maintaining the same lead, and thus continuity of stride, is a huge plus in winning a race? Your better jocks, those, in particular, that can finish well, excel at this. Your weaker finishers don't.
You do realize you're pretty much a joke, right? Stevil has raced 30 times now. He has 6 wins and and 8 seconds in those 30 starts. All 6 of those wins have come with Lezcano up. 6 of the 8 seconds have come with him up. JV finished 2nd with him once and Cornelio finished 2nd with him once.

The following jocks have also ridden Stevil with combined 0 wins and 2 seconds:

JV
Cornelio
Bejerano
Alan Garcia
Castro
Hill
Castellano
Maragh
Luis Garcia
Bravo
J. Bridgmo

iamthelurker 09-08-2010 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 693471)
100% correct, but why bother? Dude obviously lost a wager on Fly Down and hopefully, he and the other Lezcano detractors don't ever wager on a horse he is riding again.

It was plain to see he wasn't riding well. What's so difficult about factoring that into your handicapping?
You really think this is about handicapping?

RockHardTen1985 09-08-2010 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by iamthelurker (Post 693536)
You really think this is about handicapping?
He should go back and look at the Travers and many other threads before he makes stupid comments. I basicley tossed everyone but the cold exacta, a week before the race.

iamthelurker 09-08-2010 10:55 AM
This thread has gotten silly, everyones entitled to their opinion. Time will only tell how this kids career plays out. Done.

MaTH716 09-08-2010 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 693538)
He should go back and look at the Travers and many other threads before he makes stupid comments. I basicley tossed everyone but the cold exacta, a week before the race.
I must of missed it, what stupid comment did he make?

Bigsmc 09-08-2010 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by iamthelurker (Post 693536)
You really think this is about handicapping?
It is with me. What else is there?

Bigsmc 09-08-2010 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 693546)
I must of missed it, waht stupid comment did he make?
Is he talking about me? Typically unclear.

Antitrust32 09-08-2010 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 693575)
Is he talking about me? Typically unclear.
that is how I took it.

Bigsmc 09-08-2010 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 693577)
that is how I took it.
So, I wonder which part he thought was stupid, that I agreed with Hossy that Lezcano's career is not over or that I adjusted the way I handicapped the Lezcano ridden horses because he was riding poorly for the SPA meet? Or that I hoped they were so disgusted with Lezcano that they wouldn't wager on him again?

MaTH716 09-08-2010 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 693579)
So, I wonder which part he thought was stupid, that I agreed with Hossy that Lezcano's career is not over or that I adjusted the way I handicapped the Lezcano ridden horses because he was riding poorly for the SPA meet? Or that I hoped they were so disgusted with Lezcano that they wouldn't wager on him again?
I'm not sure either and I don't know what him picking the exacta of the Travers has to do with either.

DaTruth 09-08-2010 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 693587)
I'm not sure either and I don't know what him picking the exacta of the Travers has to do with either.
He must think it gives him more credibility.

clyde 09-08-2010 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 693457)
Wasn't getting my money enough?

Randy..this is Care-La or Aunty Cooby---right?

Antitrust32 09-08-2010 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 693579)
So, I wonder which part he thought was stupid, that I agreed with Hossy that Lezcano's career is not over or that I adjusted the way I handicapped the Lezcano ridden horses because he was riding poorly for the SPA meet? Or that I hoped they were so disgusted with Lezcano that they wouldn't wager on him again?
Not really sure. Confusing.

Put more effort into not making stupid comments and we wont have to go through this again! ;)

iamthelurker 09-09-2010 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 693619)
Randy..this is Care-La or Aunty Cooby---right?
Quiet wolfman.

blackthroatedwind 09-09-2010 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 693619)
Randy..this is Care-La or Aunty Cooby---right?
Nobody you know.

Kasept 09-09-2010 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 693085)
Steve, Does your partner on the Monday show really wear no pants behind the set?
LOL.. Seth does wear pants, or at least shorts, on set. The 'no pants' is a long running joke.

Glad you tuned in... Hope you and everyone enjoyed this season's "Keyword: Saratoga". Seth and I had a lot of fun again this year, and I'd like to think the show has really become a local fixture during the Spa stand.

MISTERGEE 09-09-2010 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 694088)
Nobody you know.
Have you peaked at saturday Belmont card? Feeling confident?

Cannon Shell 09-09-2010 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MISTERGEE (Post 694103)
Have you peaked at saturday Belmont card? Feeling confident?
He peaked a long time ago

MISTERGEE 09-09-2010 05:34 PM
damn, was hoping to follow saturdays opening day selections

RockHardTen1985 09-10-2010 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 694095)
LOL.. Seth does wear pants, or at least shorts, on set. The 'no pants' is a long running joke.

Glad you tuned in... Hope you and everyone enjoyed this season's "Keyword: Saratoga". Seth and I had a lot of fun again this year, and I'd like to think the show has really become a local fixture during the Spa stand.
It has. Its far and away the best show they air during the week. Linny does a fine job as well. They could go without Mormino, but thats another story.

Kasept 09-10-2010 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MISTERGEE (Post 694148)
damn, was hoping to follow saturdays opening day selections
Andy is doing the NYRA.com chat this evening and will be on ATR this morning... You don't have to worry that he hasn't already capped Belmont for Saturday and Sunday. He has.

iamthelurker 09-15-2010 04:41 PM
I think some days are in order for Jose after dropping Carlos Marquez today.

NTamm1215 09-15-2010 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by iamthelurker (Post 695885)
I think some days are in order for Jose after dropping Carlos Marquez today.
He's also 0-20 to start the Belmont fall meet.

the_fat_man 09-15-2010 06:02 PM
Lezcano has an incredibly poor handle for a jock that everyone was gaga over just a few months ago. However, even though the was 'handling' Macho Joe worse than his kid brother would, Marquez was doing his best Jacqui Davis impersonation. If you can't control a horse, you really should either hit the gym or expect to go down.

Which makes what happened to Michael Martinez all the more puzzling.

Dahoss 09-15-2010 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by iamthelurker (Post 695885)
I think some days are in order for Jose after dropping Carlos Marquez today.
Did you watch the head on?

clyde 09-15-2010 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 694088)
Nobody you know.


Oh?



Now I think I do know.

blackthroatedwind 09-15-2010 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 695934)
Oh?



Now I think I do know.
What have I told you about thinking.

You couldn't know because you don't even know the person exists.

blackthroatedwind 09-15-2010 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 695931)
Did you watch the head on?
With an opinion like that I would hope not.

clyde 09-15-2010 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 695936)
What have I told you about thinking.

You couldn't know because you don't even know the person exists.
Shut up.

the_fat_man 09-15-2010 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 695937)
With an opinion like that I would hope not.
Guess I need to start watching Trip and Traps and learn from the 'masters'.:rolleyes:

clyde 09-15-2010 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 695942)
Guess I need to start watching Trip and Traps and learn from the 'masters'.:rolleyes:
No..just keep reading here and further your education from the doorknobs.

iamthelurker 09-15-2010 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by clyde (Post 695934)
Oh?



Now I think I do know.
I must interest you a lot.

iamthelurker 09-15-2010 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 695937)
With an opinion like that I would hope not.
So he didn't drop him? Oh ok.

clyde 09-15-2010 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by iamthelurker (Post 695992)
I must interest you a lot.
You do.



I think you are the weirdest poster since TwoMinutesToToast.

blackthroatedwind 09-15-2010 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by iamthelurker (Post 695994)
So he didn't drop him? Oh ok.
I like to be careful before blaming riders for dropping other riders.


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