TS must have had a lot of mr P in him

Talent Search debuted for a tag at Tampa two days before Christmas - Fabulous Strike debuted at Tampa two days after Christmas that same year.

I was there both days.

My mom's birthday is Christmas Eve and Christmas is a big thing for us the next day.

I almost got disowned that year for not showing up or calling either day. I was probably too busy posting and making speed figures for greyhound tracks.

The great Joe Woodard debuted him for 12,500 if Im not mistaken.
Both horses went on to run 1-2 in the same G1 Vosburgh at Belmont in October 2007.

Yep.

Florida is God's country ... lots of skanky girls with tattoos.

When you are on an island "your words" and you are a very good stallion and there isn't much competition on that island it bloats your success level, especially when your type never come east(why would they?)

You really are the spin dr .. Unusal Heats run in there own backyard against other vermin stallion offspring racking up a bunch of success and you vault him to TREMENDOUS.. Do you really think his type would do nearly as well in open competition? WHOOPS they arent fast enough.. How come Shiek mo hasn't grabbed a superior young phenom turfer or IEAH , lael etc..

Why did Lael buy My Princess Jess after a 76k overnight stake win for reportedly 7 figs.. Where are the examples of major racing concerns spending huge money for such early talented winners?. Every year we see people spending millions for lightly raced huge potential stock.. You know like Dutrows two colts this year Big Brown (a boundary noless) the Golphins from last year.. Where are all these UH's? you know the dynamic Peace Rules(jule) types or War Emblem types or the Lido Palace from last year.. geez I just don't recall this TREMENDOUS stallion producing anything that has ignited someone to step out.. Mind you pedigree is NOT the issue as the horses I listed are D Funnybone types which are long on potential and short on page.

DrugS when you get a minute get the yearling stats and 2 year old in training sales figs posted... I would imagine this stallion has to be American racings best kept secret!!

Unusual Heat actually sold for 250K at Barrett's March 2yo sale.

I don't know what's oddest...

A.) That a horse bought at a 2yo sale in So Cal would go Europe to So Cal.

B.) The dam was bred in Denmark (I can't locate it on a map and I didn't even know they run horses there)

C.) The horse was claimed - was vanned off while winning a claiming race less than 3 weeks later - and eventually became a Cannon Shell adored stallion.

D.) This picture :

These two gals have very famous fathers.. On the right is Crusher Blackwell's daughter on the left is Haystack calhouns youngest daughter. The vertically challenged gentleman with the big smile on his face (who wouldn't be) is Scav the day before his Bar Mitzvah, his mom did get him a nice hair cut and shave before his bigger day..

Denmark is fabulous, and not just because of the Carlsberg, probably the best beer in the world.

Always nice to see you glow

Fascinating. How exactly is it "apples and oranges" to compare running her twice in two days to Lava Man's comeback? The arguments both for and against each situation are exactly the same. But I like the concept of making a mockery of the Breeders' Cup.

What are you talking about?

Because horses that are retired due to soundness issues and returned to training have a far greater probability of injury than a horse who to our knowledge has no such history. She is far more likely to simply race poorly than breakdown.

Since when is racing recency tied to breakdowns?

But Left Bank said "WHEN the horse snaps a leg"....not if. So it's not a matter of it could happen but it will happen. Left Bank said so.

They might be different cases but both of them could end up with bad results. Or neither could.

Of course they could but a horse with a history of soundness issues coming back at an advanced age is much more likely to be injured than a horse without those same issues at a much younger age.

The common denominator is injury and there is no reason to believe that Lethal Heat is in any more danger to breakdown by running on back to back days while lava Man is certainly more likely to be injured in is comeback.

While I do agree there would be an uproar about LH getting hurt, there will be an uproar about any horse getting hurt. Plus no one knows who she is anyway.

He's a goldmine for Abrams. It would take them years to find another Unusual Heat, so why not just keep him?

He is 19 year old

I thought you were a trainer. Do you seriously believe that?
Let's just forget the fact that you think Lethal Heat is an unknown compared to Lava Man when it comes to the Peta-People.
If you think they know the difference you are WAY off base.

If you are strictly talking about the PETA factor, there is no conversation. They will find fault in any situation.

I believe it because it is true.

Yes he is. How else could this mushmouth slob be doing this well with thoroughbreds? I remember him before this sire. He wasn't much. He was a mushmouth slob (of course.) His ways of running the same horse every Friday Night etc. didn't really work with horses sired by other sires. He hit Lotto with this sire. Like he has stated, he bred him to nothing, and got a lot. They might not be world class horses, but they weren't bred to be that. If he gets some top mares, look out. I mean, lets face it, the guy wasn't a great claiming trainer. So, he and his people got tired of that. He, and his people couldn't (or wouldn't) pay what people wanted for decent young horses at sales. So, they decided to have Unusual Heat f every cheap mare they had. They ended up hitting Lotto. He's a really good sire. Maybe he hasn't had the world class horses yet, but they are very tough (both physically and mentally.) Very little of the stuff this trainer makes these horses do would work with horses by other sires. Lethal Heat is as tough a competitor as you'll ever find. She's got a favorite distance, but she's gunna keep trying, regardless. This is all about that sire. One thing I do think is that Lethal Heat was running with at least a 36 Co2 on Saturday. That's the one time she has ever shown a kick going 2 turns. She was especially effervescing, but we have a high threshold out here. Really is amazing that anyone is ever caught alkalizing out here. It's not like they're looking very hard.

I imagine Cannon will want to rethink things now.

Too bad for you. As it happens, Unusual Heat's dam was a multiple champion, having won the Oaks in both Sweden and Denmark and beaten the colts to win the Swedish and Danish Derbies and the Danish St. Leger. Yes, in the scheme of things these are at the listed level in Europe, but Rossard(Den) proved she wasn't a fraudulent classic winner by scoring in the Flower Bowl H (G1) in the US.

Stymie was claimed, for $1500; he went on to lead the US earnings list until Citation came along. Princequillo was claimed; he went on to become a leading dirt stayer, a top sire, and many-time leading broodmare sire. John Henry was claimed; he went on to win G1 races every year from age 5 to 9. Being claimed is not the mark of Cain. And in this case, we aren't talking cheap claimers, either: Claiming $80K or $125 are what tracks wrote for horses who had gone through all of their allowance conditions already, hardly expecting that somebody was going to put up that kind of cash.

Unusual Heat was a stakes-winning horse at 3 and 4 in Ireland with 2 serious problems; he disliked wet turf courses and he hated The Curragh, where most better races are run in Ireland. He was off for a year between his last race in Ireland and his first in the US, so one must hypothesize that something went amiss with him during that time. Oftentimes horses who come back from illness or injury are not as good as they were beforehand, in case you haven't noticed. But their genes are still the same.

I knew all of that already. Isn't google swell?



I know .... but were any of them vanned off less than 3 weeks after being claimed never to race again?

....?

How does this topic get 6 pages of replies...?

Poor Golden Man. I hope they retire him off of THAT effort. Of course, he is 7 now.