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RockHardTen1985 08-08-2009 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
She needs more help than that.

Who in this race does the soft course hurt?

We will see.
How about this upcoming race, Take The Points, chalk ? He wins, IM DEAD.

cakes44 08-08-2009 02:51 PM

You are safe. Take the Points won't likely get the same perfect trip as last, which wound up with a 3rd vs weaker. Take the Points is on nothing of mine either.

Bigsmc 08-08-2009 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
We will see.
How about this upcoming race, Take The Points, chalk ? He wins, IM DEAD.

Me too.

I did not use him. He's got a big shot, but I'm not impressed by Battle of Hastings. I don't think he was beating much in VA and this one couldn't crack the exacta in those races.

RockHardTen1985 08-08-2009 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Me too.

I did not use him. He's got a big shot, but I'm not impressed by Battle of Hastings. I don't think he was beating much in VA and this one couldn't crack the exacta in those races.


I agree with everything your saying, except he has a big shot. I dont get where the $ is coming from. What has he done that says he better then even Giant Oak ?

-BT- 08-08-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Me too.

I did not use him. He's got a big shot, but I'm not impressed by Battle of Hastings. I don't think he was beating much in VA and this one couldn't crack the exacta in those races.


thought he was much improved on his 2nd try on the grass... we shall see


-bt-

Bigsmc 08-08-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
I agree with everything your saying, except he has a big shot. I dont get where the $ is coming from. What has he done that says he better then even Giant Oak ?

Grade 2 Stakes placed on grass.

He has a big shot because nobody stands out here.

Bigsmc 08-08-2009 03:13 PM

Perfect.

On to the Saratoga pick 4 for me.

-BT- 08-08-2009 03:13 PM

sorry guys


kent and the horse were dead game in that one.. murtagh leaning all over him down the lane and he still gets up

-bt-

Travis Stone 08-08-2009 03:14 PM

Why wasn't Battle of Hastings in this race? He beats Take the Points twice, who wins, lending one to believe Battle of Hastings would have a good shot at the big bonus.

RockHardTen1985 08-08-2009 03:14 PM

So sick, I leaned on 4,9. Now im out of everything. Murtagh did not have to move that early, did he ? Chasing a 35-1 shot, ughhhhhhhh.

RockHardTen1985 08-08-2009 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Why wasn't Battle of Hastings in this race? He beats Take the Points twice, who wins, lending one to believe Battle of Hastings would have a good shot at the big bonus.


I may be wrong, but wasn't the 9 best ? Murtagh has him under a drive before Kent even asked the 7 for run. Why ? Why attack a 35-1 shot who is about to back up ?

Bigsmc 08-08-2009 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Why wasn't Battle of Hastings in this race? He beats Take the Points twice, who wins, lending one to believe Battle of Hastings would have a good shot at the big bonus.

I doubt you'll ever get the real answer to that question. It's an unfortunate aspect of this game.

-BT- 08-08-2009 03:42 PM

hank goldberg all over pure clan


go ahead and rip'm up now boys... "we can't win, we've been mushed"

-bt-

RockHardTen1985 08-08-2009 03:59 PM

I am so sad.

King Glorious 08-08-2009 04:14 PM

Anyone that studies the form and comes to their own conclusions and then either jumps on or off of a horse because of someone else's opinion deserves to lose.

Bigsmc 08-08-2009 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
I am so sad.

Good call on Dynaforce. Hope you at least backed your opinion with a win bet.

cakes44 08-08-2009 04:25 PM

I could not have been more wrong about TTP and Dynaforce. I need to quit. PRESIOUS PASSION TO SAVE THE DAY!

Coach Pants 08-08-2009 04:25 PM

Damn you guys are agreeing with the mush now?

Bigsmc 08-08-2009 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Damn you guys are agreeing with the mush now?

He called his shot and actually hit a race. Just giving him his props. Not agreeing with anything. I know the results of the race and would be hard pressed to put that horse on my ticket if I was punching it now.

Right is right, he catches enough grief for all of his moronic predictions and touts.

Coach Pants 08-08-2009 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
He called his shot and actually hit a race. Just giving him his props. Not agreeing with anything. I know the results of the race and would be hard pressed to put that horse on my ticket if I was punching it now.

Right is right, he catches enough grief for all of his moronic predictions and touts.

He was dead after Take The Points cornholed him. Of course there is an unlimited cash machine AND OTB in his backyard so who knows.

Bigsmc 08-08-2009 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
He was dead after Take The Points cornholed him. Of course there is an unlimited cash machine AND OTB in his backyard so who knows.

Okay, starting a new thread to cry is a bit much.

Dude just can't stop. Over under of 2 weeks after the Saratoga meet ends and Steve has time to read again before he tosses him.....again.

South Beach Luv 08-08-2009 04:38 PM

Has a jockey ever won all 3 before?

CSC 08-08-2009 04:40 PM

Course is listed as good...now Yielding, times indicate it is soft. Adjust pick accordingly.

Coach Pants 08-08-2009 04:41 PM

The course is not that bad actually. It's not worth wagering on but it's not bad.

RockHardTen1985 08-08-2009 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Okay, starting a new thread to cry is a bit much.

Dude just can't stop. Over under of 2 weeks after the Saratoga meet ends and Steve has time to read again before he tosses him.....again.

Your right....
I need to just chill out when I lose.
I did put a lot of work into it and it stung to go out that way.

-BT- 08-08-2009 04:49 PM

PP and elvis didn't look comfortable at all.... the clock turned to midnight on him finally.... game run from sheppard's horse

-bt-

Bobby Fischer 08-08-2009 04:53 PM

dynaforce not mad about you
 
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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
conservatively 3-1 7-2, but hopefully more. She is strong and there are many scenarios that fit her. Lets say Tizqueena goes out to a clear lead, your gal can outmove Points of Grace and hold off the closers. She is probably even good enough to just attack the leader slightly prematurely and end the race early. If Points of Grace and Dominguez manage to break on top, Tizqueena may be forced up on the pace and again it sets up nicely.

i knew that trip would get there(especially seeing races 6 and 7 to gauge the turf), unfortunately wrong mare. Tough trip for Mad About You but she wasn't best today anyway.

Travis Stone 08-08-2009 04:54 PM

I think there's a new horse in the race for Horse of the Year as well.

Gauchos0522 08-08-2009 04:55 PM

Even though it is not his normal style, I think making the lead at the top of the lane was a good move whether it was by design or not for Gio. Tough to make up serious ground on that course today.

philcski 08-08-2009 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I think there's a new horse in the race for Horse of the Year as well.

Gio Ponti? Great horse, I really like him, but turf horses don't win HOTY unless they're named John Henry.

Realistically, Rachel has this about wrapped up.

letswastemoney 08-08-2009 05:01 PM

They could try the synthetic Classic if they want to go for HOY

booner 08-08-2009 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Gio Ponti? Great horse, I really like him, but turf horses don't win HOTY unless they're named John Henry.

Realistically, Rachel has this about wrapped up.

I agree.

But Gio Ponti is the hottest horse on the lawn right now (did I just state the obvious? :D ).

Travis Stone 08-08-2009 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Gio Ponti? Great horse, I really like him, but turf horses don't win HOTY unless they're named John Henry.

Realistically, Rachel has this about wrapped up.

I agree and you're right, but there are a lot of things that could happen between now and then not just for him, but Rachel as well. Lots of ifs, but it's interesting none-the-less.

King Glorious 08-08-2009 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Gio Ponti? Great horse, I really like him, but turf horses don't win HOTY unless they're named John Henry.

Realistically, Rachel has this about wrapped up.

Or Kotashaan or All Along.

NTamm1215 08-08-2009 05:12 PM

Gio Ponti would have a chance at HOTY in most other years. I do think they need to give some consideration to running him in the Classic.

I really don't think his accomplishments are appreciated for what they are in that winning 4 Grade Is in a row at three different tracks ranging from the putting green turf at SA at a mile to the softer going at Arlington and Belmont to the firm course where he raced five wide basically the entire way.

I think it's great to see Christophe Clement have such a great horse too. By the way, does anyone know why Indian Charlie (the indiancharlie.com satirist not our resident satirist) hates CC so much?

NT

CSC 08-08-2009 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I agree and you're right, but there are a lot of things that could happen between now and then not just for him, but Rachel as well. Lots of ifs, but it's interesting none-the-less.

I think there's a ways to go, the BC can alter alot of opinions. At the moment RA is the obvious choice but if she loses in the BC surmising she will indeed go then all bets are off for HOY assuming Gio Ponti wins. Alot of if's in the equation I know.

King Glorious 08-08-2009 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I think there's a new horse in the race for Horse of the Year as well.

HOY is a longshot for him because of the two girls but he's probably locked up the grass male title and with the BC being on synthetic, what if he were to win the Goodwood and Classic. When is the last time a horse won older male and grass championships in the same year? John Henry?

ddthetide 08-08-2009 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Why wasn't Battle of Hastings in this race? He beats Take the Points twice, who wins, lending one to believe Battle of Hastings would have a good shot at the big bonus.

i asked yesterday and Bogey replyed:
Mulllins felt he needed a break.

CSC 08-08-2009 05:42 PM

Not that I bet the race but watching Mike Smith on Mr. Big in the 4th at Delmar improves Zenyatta's resume in my eyes, staying undefeated with Mr. Wide is an accomplishment that shouldn't never be understated.

Bobby Fischer 08-08-2009 05:48 PM

this was a good effort today for Ponti.

the Classic does maybe fit him better than the Turf anyway. If you get Zenyatta, and a couple of the top Euros in the Classic and Ponti that could be another great race. Avoiding the Classic is starting to look like a mistake for Rachel.


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