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King Glorious

05-16-2009 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

I wanted to say this.

I was thinking the same thing. People often think because of the distance that a late closer has the best chance but it's often a situation where a horse is up close and allowed to run along slowly and doesn't come back to them.

cowgirlintexas

05-16-2009 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Huh? Why think about races not run, when what's right in front of our eyes is pretty first class? :tro:

What racing needs right now it's getting, in spades and on national TV - a KY Derby winner who duplicated his impressive performance in the Preakness, but was beaten a length by a filly that just may be among the greats.

I think you miss my point of how much "better" it would be now IF she would have run in the Derby or IF she had'nt have run today.

Not taking anything away from her at all or Mine that Bird, just saying that the "what if's" are there.

CSC	05-16-2009 07:16 PM

Mike Smith rode a good race today, the main thing is his ride didn’t cost Mine that Bird the race. But to be accurate it wasn’t a great ride either. Anyone that looked deeper into the race by watching the replay, Mine That Bird had to check or atleast wait on heels when Smith split horses at the top of the stretch causing him to lose a bit of momentum, if he hadn’t RA would have probably still won but by a diminishing length, the result would have been much closer. To me the story of the race was John Velazquez riding to place in the race rather than trying to win it, he certainly wasn’t in a hurry today despite the honest fractions, a very safe ride I would term it, Big Drama pushed Rachel Alexandra but certainly didn’t break her.

pgardn

05-16-2009 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

To me the story of the race was John Velazquez riding to place in the race rather than trying to win it, he certainly wasn’t in a hurry today despite the honest fractions, a very safe ride I would term it, Big Drama pushed Rachel Alexandra but certainly didn’t break her.

The replay is up on U-Tube and he is at least 3 off the rail
sweeping the leaders out wide. Pretty ridiculous.
Maybe he just got pissed cause the horse reared
on him in the gate. Anyways, a destructive ride.

CSC	05-16-2009 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn

Could be, however the 3 wide is immaterial to me, let's just say JV will never be miscontrued for Jerry Bailey on Eddington. The only way Big Drama could win this race was to play catch me if you can, watching JV's arms for the first half it was obvious he wasn't going for it.

Revidere

05-16-2009 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Right. It couldn't be that the horse he was on was skittish in the gate, stumbled at the start and maybe, just maybe was trying to get out.

Just saying, maybe.

pgardn

05-16-2009 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Revidere

Right. It couldn't be that the horse he was on was skittish in the gate, stumbled at the start and maybe, just maybe was trying to get out.

Just saying, maybe.

He was all of those things.

So this means he wanted no part of the rail...
Was he trying to leave the track from the one hole
for a good part of the race
and JV merely kept him on the track.

I guess so...

Left Bank

05-16-2009 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn

I think it is a good thing Rachel did not
run in the Derby. Mine that Bird is clearly
a tough horse.

If she runs in the Belmont,He will beat her.

pgardn

05-16-2009 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Left Bank

If she runs in the Belmont,He will beat her.

Not necessarily if they go slow.

She was wide and right on a very rigorous pace
and survived. She ran a hell of a race and
so did he.

Really gonna have to wait and see how all
came out of this. I think the race was
much tougher on her based on Borel's quotes.

ddthetide

05-16-2009 08:53 PM

i tip my hat to MTB ! he beat me again. i figured he'a run a nice race but would be off the board. congrats to MTB and connections, he's a very NICE horse.

congrats to Musket Man also. he looks to be the consistant horse that will show up for every race.

RA is a freak, what else can you say.:tro:

GPK	05-16-2009 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Handicappy

He's not going there. Baffert is taking him back to California, give him a little break and look forward to the rest of the year that includes the Breeders Cup in his own backyard.

Excuse me while I remove my tounge from my cheek...

MISTERGEE

05-16-2009 09:16 PM

ok, how long before MTB is sold?

Bigsmc

05-16-2009 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

ok, how long before MTB is sold?

Gelding. If he was intact, he would've been gobbled up in the last two weeks.

MISTERGEE

05-16-2009 09:33 PM

true

Seattleallstar

05-16-2009 10:29 PM

Mine that bird is still a piece of ****, who we will never hear from again. I would be surprised as hell if he won a race of any consequence ever again, I sure do see alot of 3rd and 4ths though

Riot	05-16-2009 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddthetide

i tip my hat to MTB ! he beat me again. i figured he'a run a nice race but would be off the board. congrats to MTB and connections, he's a very NICE horse.

congrats to Musket Man also. he looks to be the consistant horse that will show up for every race.

RA is a freak, what else can you say.:tro:

I agree, but thought he looked like a drunken sailor weaving down the stretch - hope he came out of the race okay, just tired.

packerbacker7964

05-16-2009 10:39 PM

Bob Baffert said it himself he needs to get POTN back to Cali to race on the Waxy stuff. There's lots of money to be made out West for the horse.

Port Conway Lane

05-16-2009 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Mine that bird is still a piece of ****, who we will never hear from again. I would be surprised as hell if he won a race of any consequence ever again, I sure do see alot of 3rd and 4ths though

He beat you out of the exacta tri and super too huh?

Seattleallstar

05-16-2009 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

He beat you out of the exacta tri and super too huh?

nopers played a tri super with rachel and flying private on top, having same 2 along with pioneer, friesan fire, musket man, general quarters.

richard burch

05-16-2009 11:04 PM

i like him in the belmont ,if he goes

Port Conway Lane

05-16-2009 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

nopers played a tri super with rachel and flying private on top, having same 2 along with pioneer, friesan fire, musket man, general quarters.

Sorry to belabor this any further but the way I read it had you used him instead of potn, ff, or gq you would have hit both the tri and super.

So I guess he beat you out.

10 pnt move up

05-16-2009 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane

Sorry to belabor this any further but the way I read it had you used him instead of potn, ff, or gq you would have hit both the tri and super.

So I guess he beat you out.

:wf

Danzig

05-16-2009 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Ran his ass off, and would've caught the filly if the race were another sixteenth. I thought he was done in midstretch but he kept coming. Great, great race.

not necessarily. and since it isn't, a moot point.

Danzig

05-16-2009 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

How wide was he at the top of the stretch?

probably not as wide as a six wide musket man in the derby....

Danzig

05-16-2009 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And if only the first 10 finishers weren't entered, we'd have truly gotten to see Pioneerof the Nile's greatness. WHAT MORE DOES HE HAVE TO DO?!

:D :tro:

Danzig

05-16-2009 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

So you don't think on dirt he'd be better normally than a horse like Luv Guv? Plenty that are better than they showed today? Like whom? The only ones that seem to be better than what they showed are Pioneer and Friesan Fire and since that's back to back horrible ones for FF, he may not be better.

lol

if luv gov is the barometer...bury this sport now, cause it's dead and buried if he's the measuring stick. holy crap.

Danzig

05-16-2009 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv

Very surprised Larry Jones ran him back today.

i'm not.

Danzig

05-17-2009 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom

POTN 1,700,000 in winnngs, he runs one horrible race in his career and you say he's not as good as we say.

omg

not the 'i'd love to own him' line of thinking....not that for sure! take the colt back to cali. win everything they've got..but for crying out loud, leave the dirt to the dirt horses.

Danzig

05-17-2009 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Left Bank

If she runs in the Belmont,He will beat her.

not necessarily
in a longer race, tactics are different. ra might win just as well as she did today.

Danzig

05-17-2009 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Mine that bird is still a piece of ****, who we will never hear from again. I would be surprised as hell if he won a race of any consequence ever again, I sure do see alot of 3rd and 4ths though

:rolleyes:

pointman

05-17-2009 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Mine that bird is still a piece of ****, who we will never hear from again. I would be surprised as hell if he won a race of any consequence ever again, I sure do see alot of 3rd and 4ths though

Honestly, as against him as I was going into this race, I don't think I can agree with this. He ran a hell of a race today and as far as I am concerned he validated his Derby run. Maybe he has hit his peak fitness, but there really is not any other way to view the race but to say that he closed solidly today.

Cajungator26

05-17-2009 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Mine that bird is still a piece of ****, who we will never hear from again. I would be surprised as hell if he won a race of any consequence ever again, I sure do see alot of 3rd and 4ths though

The Jerry Jinx has been put into place ... MTB will now be a multipe grade 1 winning gelding. :)

slotdirt

05-17-2009 07:31 AM

Did Danzig just set a non-Morty DT record of most posts in a row in a single thread? Consolidate.

estreetposse

05-17-2009 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Did Danzig just set a non-Morty DT record of most posts in a row in a single thread? Consolidate.

:tro: :tro: :tro:

herkhorse

05-17-2009 07:51 AM

Ah thinks she been drinking....;)

Danzig

05-17-2009 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Mine That Bird certainly got a great pace setup ... but he made an excellent account of himself for sure.

Looks like the tactic of having him jog and loaf through the very early stages has moved him up big time. Obviously.

I'm curious to see how he runs in the Belmont when you can't loaf away the early stages of the race and expect them to come back to you because the pace is often much slower. ... baring the entry of any speed sprinter types like High Finance or baring the entry of a dominant speed router like a Smarty Jones who was forced to brush off an insanely premature middle move from a Malibu winner.

To me RA is a dominant speed router - and I like MTB's Belmont chances better if she runs .. they won't let her have a Da Tara jog on an uncontested lead trip obviously.

Even though I thought RA was a cinch today .. I got burnt because I played against MTB underneath .. and I will eagerly play against him in the Belmont again if RA doesn't run.

RA saw real pace pressure today from a very good and very fresh speed horse coming off of a razor sharp win. Look at the horses who were also wide into the 1st turn and not far behind her ... I believe they were Friesan Fire, POTN, and General Quarters ... all of them were exhusted and beaten by a country mile.

yes, she did. her performance was outstanding.

Danzig

05-17-2009 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

Did Danzig just set a non-Morty DT record of most posts in a row in a single thread? Consolidate.

sorry you have a problem with that. i responded to different posts as i went thru when i got home late last night. i didn't know that was against the rules.

Danzig

05-17-2009 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse

Ah thinks she been drinking....;)

i was! the typing and backspacing to correct typos was tedious. but i'm sober this morning, and still replying as i go...so i guess more complaints are in the offing.

Handicappy

05-17-2009 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn

I wanted to say this.

Unless Baffert brings in a facsimile of Bob and John like he did in 2006.

Danzig

05-17-2009 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by pointman

Honestly, as against him as I was going into this race, I don't think I can agree with this. He ran a hell of a race today and as far as I am concerned he validated his Derby run. Maybe he has hit his peak fitness, but there really is not any other way to view the race but to say that he closed solidly today.

yes, he did.
POTN however did not.

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