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The bottom line is that if its Steve or Andy or Chuck or Eric or someone else in a similar position telling me im wrong about my opinion on a race, i would be inclined to listen and accept that im probably wrong. Why would i do that with you? LOL |
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but it's also possible that regardless of ride/trip, that horse wouldn't win. too often we've seen folks get hung up on the second place horse-that had he moved a bit sooner, he'd have surely won at the end. then they bet the horse back, and whooops-they see why the horse was a long shot last time out, and deservedly so. |
I only hope that Rosario never takes a TAP horse wide who ends up testing positive....
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Who are you that your opinion is so valuable and that I am wrong to disagree with you? What have you done in this sport that makes your opinion and thoughts more valid than mine? Please let me know. Maybe i have it all wrong and you really are in a position of knowledge that i never perceived in reading your posts. But if you arent, spare me the bully tactics because it will do you no good. |
I really think you need to go bug Drysdale about this inside /outside situation. A young rider given an instruction to give the horse a clear path outside in a Grade 1 is probably gunna follow it. If he was gunna consider ignoring the instructions, then I think that thought may have been gone when Smullen made that rushed move to cut Rosario off into the 1st turn. You said he panicked, and went outside. All signs appear he didn't make the decision then. He had already planned to go outside. He won 5 Saturday. Then, he won a 300k race in Puerto Rico yesterday. The fact he got even close to winning this race is because he somehow got this horse to calm down on the backstretch. He won 5, and I think he would of won 6 if he had the horse. That's just my opinion of that Grade 1 Saturday. He has a clear shot outside of horses, and can't get it done when C.E. could. I mean you ignore the fact he has no answer for the move C.E. makes in the stretch. Joel gets an inferior horse to make up ground on a horse who no longer has a target. I want to see someone else do as well now with this horse in a Grade 1, because, in a Grade 1, this jock did not have much horse to start with. Hey, I am gunna tell you honestly that I am not a huge believer in this guy on chalk yet. So, it's not like(to me) he can do no wrong, but really you're taking issue with somebody who is doing a lot with horses that are not the best animals in these races.
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:tro: good point, good post. perhaps instead of getting grief for not winning, the jock deserves kudos for getting a long shot to finish second. |
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Just because you have 12,500 posts it doesnt make your opinion any more valid. Perhaps you can challenge scuds as well to an opinion validity contest. Or perhaps you can take a deep breathe and realize that it really doesnt matter. But, back to racing, its not like Champs was life and death in the stretch. |
Dala one more post from you here and I am going to take back the Very Impressive rating I gave you :(
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If his instructions were indeed to take the horse out around the turn, getting shut off trying to stay inside would have much more far reaching consequences than just that race. |
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You are short about OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O's It's amazing how such a simple concept of ground saving can cause people to become so confused. I am going to sleep better tonight knowing people like Dalahkani bet into the wagering pools. |
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I think he'll be fine. If working hard and being a good person helps then I KNOW he'll be fine. Picked up mounts in two upcoming Grade 1's today. We're really looking forward to that. Excellent thread continues. VJS |
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Cheers. |
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DerbyCat and I both took note of Joel Rosario's riding abilities up here in NorCal a couple of meets back. It's always nice to note an unknown jockey with talent before the rest of the world does. Especially when betting exotics. :) |
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Thanks for the props for Joel. |
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This thread has gotten beyond ridiculous. Rosario isn't a bad jock..in fact he does win a lot and sure does have a promising future. My point was...and perhaps you will agree....if he stayed on the inside instead of making the wide move, he wins. I thought it was a bad move. Maybe because of it being a Grade I he got somewhat nervous. I think there is a reason guys like Gomez,Prado,Alan Garcia, etc get/win Grade I mounts/wins. They have proven themselves in the big races. Rosario hasn't....yet. Some of the replies on here are borderline insane. People are acting like CE is some monster horse. Newsflash...he isnt. One brainiac said CE is 20 lengths better than Obrigado. I guess some people on here just want to overlook when they met in Jan when CE won, but not by much. The best one though is that Obrigado lost not because of the trip...but because he was 22-1. That is hall of fame material. |
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I would say a quick look at the pps would support that contention. Now, if you want to continue to throw insults, I can go there as well. Surely you can make your point without the garbage. |
^^^ spoken from the queen of insults.
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How is he 20 lengths better "On Class" when they have met twice and although CE has won, he hasnt won by much at all. This "Class" thing of yours is ridiculous. It's not like Obrigado hs been running in Allowance races his whole career and is now moving up to a Grade I. I suggest you look at the pp's before you make ridiculous comments like this. As far as the insults....if you say something stupid I will call you a moron. If you cant handle it move on. |
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Champs has won multiple graded stakes and placed numerous times in grade 1's. What has Obrigado's company been? He won a weak grade 2 in so cal over a seven horse field in feb 07 and hasnt done much since in much less company. When you and your buddy get done teabagging each other, talk to me about who the moron is. Was that better Antritrust? |
^^ thats the Dala I know and love.
for a moment I thought you were becoming a whining sissy. |
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I only have about another twenty minutes to play with Stoned Buzzard. |
This was printed in ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ory?id=3746431 "This race goes through the Bobby Frankel-trained CHAMPS ELYSEES. He has a gigantic class edge over this entire field and has earned over $1.2 million in his career" Looks like im not the only one that thinks there was a significant class edge. Get someone on the trash truck to read that to you Stonebuzzard. |
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Please answer this you moronic sorry excuse for a horseplayer. Lets see......CE has: Won The San Marcos where Obrigado finished a close 3rd Beat Obrigado with a PERFECT trip by 1/2 length. Ran second to last then in 2 grade I's. Won a "Grade I" in Canada vs a bad bad field. Ran a bad 3rd vs a simliar field in Canada next out. Some monster. Now, does Obrigado have a better record? No. But he has been running in grade I's and II's as well and has run ok. To suggest that CE is 20 lengths better on class is moronic. I am sorry if I have made you look like a complete jack@sss, but honestly...you made it easy. |
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Listen you ridiculous twat. You obviously cant think on your own and must follow the likes of others. You admitted when you believe you are right, but someone says you are wrong you bow down and take their word. Learn to think before you read something. I have read some of your posts, your knowledge/thinking is rather sad. |
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Again, if you can read, there is a quote from frankel here: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...o-turf-cup-win "He waits on horses but when that horse got to him he went on again" We arent talking about breeding so dont change the subject idiot. The canadian race was a grade 1 as is this last win. Again, when you get the leather out of your mouth, ask someone to read this to you. Do you have anything published that supports your contentions? |
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I am starting to feel bad about ripping on this Dala person. It's like picking on someone after they get off of the short bus at school each day. |
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Obviously you dont know the answer to my question about Canadian Grade I races. Look it up , then have someone read it to you. It's again obvious since you must go hunting on the net to find someone to back up your assinine claims that you aren't sure of yourself. Please stop embarassing yourself. |
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Its funny how people on the internet become so emboldened and their lack of command of the language becomes clear. "twat"? What are we in the 70's? Let me guess... you are going to call me the "c" word next. So clever. Despite the facts that your mom doesnt shave her pits, i thought she would have taught you more than this. Im disappointed. |
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So shut up and get the d!ck out of your mouth. |
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I dont know you well enough to use the dreaded "c" word. But you sure aren't 20 lengths away of reaching that class. You are now disregarding my questions and criticizing grammar. Canadian Grade I ? Answer.....please ? I have you clearly on tilt. |
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Just about everyone agrees that Obrigado would have won with the trip. You are on Fantasy Island all by yourself. You want facts...again...have someone translate pp's to you....that or have someone read Hoss's post with all of their races. It's painfully obvious you are wrong. |
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