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SCUDSBROTHER 11-06-2008 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Ok, so what are my political positions? I don't even know myself how to classify it.

I don't know. I don't pay attention to it much. It's just that I have been reading her stuff since even before the last Presidential Election. I also know the people who have extreme views. Don't know the other people's views that much.

SniperSB23 11-06-2008 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I don't know. I don't pay attention to it much. It's just that I have been reading her stuff since even before the last Presidential Election. I also know the people who have extreme views. Don't know the other people's views that much.

Phil is a spend, spend, spend but don't tax me liberal.

philcski 11-06-2008 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Phil is a spend, spend, spend but don't tax me liberal.

LOL, I guess. You're the person who knows me best on this board.
Actually I'm against excessive government spending and putting that money to better use, is that the same thing?

SCUDSBROTHER 11-06-2008 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
:rolleyes: So what you are saying is that she's really fucl<ing smart!

Well, if she is that smart, then I don't know why she would look for candidates with views like hers. I know she likes to hunt, but come on! Who has been like this? That Senator Snow Lady from Maine(maybe.)

Danzig 11-06-2008 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
It's just that I am letting the Conservative White Males vent some. I actually think some of our White Trash is gunna try very hard to kill OBA. So, you should consider sharpening your knives for JOE. Zig is a Conservative on most issues, but not on Social Issues. She has positions that are pretty close to a typical Gay Republican (Log Cabin Republican.) That's the only way I have been able to define her selection of positions. I see her as a type of Conservative. She doesn't see herself that way, because she puts emphasis on the social issue disagreements she has with other Conservatives. Her other beliefs are very Conservative. That's why she is getting along with the Gay Republican Gal. That's exactly who she should be getting along with. She isn't gunna be loyal to a party, because she has too many issues in disagreement with parties. I believe one's economic ideas about society are the most important. That's why I don't see her as a DEM OR INDY. She's not in the middle on stuff. She's either very Conservative or very Liberal(Social issues.) She's not an INDY.

my position generally comes based upon what the constitution grants us. i think in that respect i'm always consistent, altho i know you told me you think i'm the exact opposite. ti's from all my study of american history, and of civics, that i get my ideas from.
perhaps i do seem all over the place, but i always try to consider each issue on its own, and make a decision-which is why no party works for me...probably why i don't identify myself as a roman catholic either, even tho i was raised as one, by two devout catholic parents.

like i said before scuds..and this may shock you. i am uninterested in any further tax cuts, which is something both candidates promised. i think obama should concentrate on making do with what is set up now, add no new spending, and attack the deficit-which i think is the biggest drag on our economy. welfare isn't, social security isn't. but our ability to continue to function with a viable economy has got to be the #1 priority.

Danzig 11-06-2008 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Well, if she is that smart, then I don't know why she would look for candidates with views like hers. I know she likes to hunt, but come on! Who has been like this? That Senator Snow Lady from Maine(maybe.)

lol
btw, i didn't vote for a single republican on any ticket. surprised?
and i do have a hard time finding people who agree with me on all issues, so all i can do is find a compromise solution. it would be nice if everyone did that. look at how many agree with a candidate on basically every issue, but vote against him or her due only to their view on abortion. that's narrow mindedness.

i know i'm an oddball. doesn't bother me.

SCUDSBROTHER 11-06-2008 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
i got ya back dont worry!

Now explain this no gays allowed to adopt or be foster parents thingy!?!?! :zz: (not that I think you voted for it)

The majority of people (wherever that is) don't like gays. You understand now?

Antitrust32 11-06-2008 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
lol
btw, i didn't vote for a single republican on any ticket. surprised?
and i do have a hard time finding people who agree with me on all issues, so all i can do is find a compromise solution. it would be nice if everyone did that. look at how many agree with a candidate on basically every issue, but vote against him or her due only to their view on abortion. that's narrow mindedness.

i know i'm an oddball. doesn't bother me.


:tro:

and I dont mind being a "Log Cabin Republican" or whatever that is :D

I'm registered INDY but I'm def. a conservative with liberal social views (which I feel social issues should not be things decided by the gov anyway)

Antitrust32 11-06-2008 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
The majority of people (wherever that is) don't like gays. You understand now?


I understand that unfortunately.

I just dont understand how you can tell people not to raise children. :zz:

If there was a Prop 8 saying blacks can only sit at the back of the bus... or a Prop 8 saying blacks cant adopt children.... this whole country would be outraged.

But throw in a different type of discrimination and this BULLSHIT passes.
:mad:

Danzig 11-06-2008 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
:tro:

and I dont mind being a "Log Cabin Republican" or whatever that is :D

I'm registered INDY but I'm def. a conservative with liberal social views (which I feel social issues should not be things decided by the gov anyway)

i don't know what log cabin rep is either. i'm not registered as anything, it's not required here to list a party.
as for social issues...most should have been assumed by individual states long ago, the fed should never have become what it is now.
each state knows best it's constituency, the cost of living is different in each area-it just seems you'd have less fraud, less waste, if it was all more localized. but how do you move the burden to states, along with the taxing ability? obviously local and state taxes would rise, with a simultaneous lowering of federal-how that could ever be accomplished is beyond me.
but, like when the electoral college came up--this country isn't the same as when it began; back then, most wanted no kind of centralized govt-now it's exactly what we've got. individual states no longer look at themselves as autonomous for the most part. it's a big mess, really.

here in arkansas, we have arkids first to provide health care for kids without insurace. and everyone says it's a much better program than the federal program, more kids are covered, and more procedures. yet we still pay for the federal program as well. double dipping so to speak..but that's a prime example of locally handling an issue being better than everything thru d.c. but who will attack the problem?

slotdirt 11-06-2008 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
lol
btw, i didn't vote for a single republican on any ticket. surprised?
and i do have a hard time finding people who agree with me on all issues, so all i can do is find a compromise solution. it would be nice if everyone did that. look at how many agree with a candidate on basically every issue, but vote against him or her due only to their view on abortion. that's narrow mindedness.

i know i'm an oddball. doesn't bother me.

Be fair - in Arkansas, there probably wasn't a single Republican on the ballot in the first place!

SCUDSBROTHER 11-06-2008 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I understand that unfortunately.

I just dont understand how you can tell people not to raise children. :zz:

If there was a Prop 8 saying blacks can only sit at the back of the bus... or a Prop 8 saying blacks cant adopt children.... this whole country would be outraged.

But throw in a different type of discrimination and this BULLSHIT passes.
:mad:

Right after I voted, I went outside, and saw a small plane in the air. It had a message it was pulling. Said "vote YES ON 8." L.A. County even passed it(7 out of 10 Blacks voted for it.) The majority of people in the state don't like gays. If they are gunna leave it up to the majority, then it ain't gunna work. This is twice now. If they try it again, it will be about the same result. Gays are the public's last group of bitches. They don't want to give that up.

philcski 11-06-2008 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Be fair - in Arkansas, there probably wasn't a single Republican on the ballot in the first place!

Really? Arkansas is traditionally one of the reddest states in the nation (Billy not included.)

Antitrust32 11-06-2008 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Right after I voted, I went outside, and saw a small plane in the air. It had a message it was pulling. Said "vote YES ON 8." L.A. County even passed it(7 out of 10 Blacks voted for it.) The majority of people in the state don't like gays. If they are gunna leave it up to the majority, then it ain't gunna work. This is twice now. If they try it again, it will be about the same result. Gays are the public's last group of bitches. They don't want to give that up.


EXACTLY! Gays are the last group (well maybe Muslims now) that you can discriminate against where ever and when ever you want and people agree with you. Its like the religious nuts and repubs last piece of bigotry that they feel justified on.

How ANY black person could vote YES on Prop 8 is beyond me! :zz:
They should know all about equal rights and support it.

This makes me sick.

SCUDSBROTHER 11-06-2008 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i don't know what log cabin rep is either.


A gay that doesn't want to pay their taxes=L.C. Republican

SCUDSBROTHER 11-06-2008 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
EXACTLY! Gays are the last group (well maybe Muslims now) that you can discriminate against where ever and when ever you want and people agree with you. Its like the religious nuts and repubs last piece of bigotry that they feel justified on.

How ANY black person could vote YES on Prop 8 is beyond me! :zz:
They should know all about equal rights and support it.

This makes me sick.

They think you're evil. They think you should get a man, and get to bucking, huh?

Danzig 11-06-2008 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
Be fair - in Arkansas, there probably wasn't a single Republican on the ballot in the first place!

i think there was, and has been in the past. i voted against them too, too far too the right, and too religious.

slotdirt 11-06-2008 03:24 PM

All's I know is that not a single person running for federal office in Arkansas - including four D's - had an opponent. Their state legislature is like 3:1 D's to Republicans. They might vote red on a federal level, but that is a state that is absolutely dominated by Democrats on the state and local levels.

Danzig 11-06-2008 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
Really? Arkansas is traditionally one of the reddest states in the nation (Billy not included.)

it's an odd state. that's why i laugh when people plant labels. someone is liberal, or conservative, etc, etc. but many people defy labels.

arkansas has many folks who are conservative in their viewpoints on social issues such as gay marriage, abortion, but are liberal leaning otherwise. oh, wait..i mean dem-leaning. that liberal word is frowned upon around here.

Danzig 11-06-2008 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
All's I know is that not a single person running for federal office in Arkansas - including four D's - had an opponent. Their state legislature is like 3:1 D's to Republicans. They might vote red on a federal level, but that is a state that is absolutely dominated by Democrats on the state and local levels.

i know there was a huge amount of folks with no opponent. but i remember when pryor ran against hutchison, i voted for pryor. when some ultra-zealot nutjob was running for lt. gov--oh yeah, halter, that guy's a freak--i voted for our current, democrat lt.governor-and he's the one who got the lottery on the ballot, and it passed-amazing! now, we're all going to hell apparently because of gambling. :)

slotdirt 11-06-2008 03:32 PM

Before Tuesday, there were 75 D and 25 R in the AR state house and 27-8 D vs. R in the Senate. I think R's picked up three seats the other night, but there are still at least 70 Dems in the state house.

Danzig 11-06-2008 03:34 PM

on another subject, i saw that obama chose rahm emanuel as his chief of staff. anyone know much about him?

timmgirvan 11-06-2008 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
on another subject, i saw that obama chose rahm emanuel as his chief of staff. anyone know much about him?

Probably the Dems version of H.R. Halderman for Nixon! He's described as a pitbull.......that will be great for reaching across the aisle.

Danzig 11-06-2008 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Probably the Dems version of H.R. Halderman for Nixon! He's described as a pitbull.......that will be great for reaching across the aisle.

i was looking for something more substantive.

philcski 11-06-2008 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i know there was a huge amount of folks with no opponent. but i remember when pryor ran against hutchison, i voted for pryor. when some ultra-zealot nutjob was running for lt. gov--oh yeah, halter, that guy's a freak--i voted for our current, democrat lt.governor-and he's the one who got the lottery on the ballot, and it passed-amazing! now, we're all going to hell apparently because of gambling. :)

Wow, I had no idea it was so Democrat leaning in-state.

But Arkansas STILL has more slot machines at thoroughbred racetracks than the 'progressive' state of New York :rolleyes:

Antitrust32 11-06-2008 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
They think you're evil. They think you should get a man, and get to bucking, huh?


I know some men that feel that way too! LOL

Danzig 11-06-2008 03:50 PM

oh, those aren't slot machines!! they're instant wagering machines...:D


like i said, it's an odd state. most call themselves democrat, but you saw which pres candidate carried the state.

timmgirvan 11-06-2008 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i was looking for something more substantive.

his nickname was Raumbo......no kidding! Try Wiki...that should do it!

Danzig 11-06-2008 03:57 PM

i read that he was blunt. i like that quality.

Antitrust32 11-06-2008 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i read that he was blunt. i like that quality.


Timmi doesnt like blunts.

Danzig 11-06-2008 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Timmi doesnt like blunts.


lmao!!

timmgirvan 11-06-2008 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
Timmi doesnt like blunts.

that was good:)

miraja2 11-06-2008 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
on another subject, i saw that obama chose rahm emanuel as his chief of staff. anyone know much about him?

He is in the Clinton-mode of being fairly partisan and yet politically centrist at the same time. His experience in the White House and in Congress probably make him a good pick for the CoS job.

However, in 2007 Emanuel strongly advised the freshmen members of Congress to avoid going on the Colbert Report because they were always made to look like such morons. As a big fan of that show, I was pissed.

GenuineRisk 11-06-2008 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i was looking for something more substantive.

Hee hee. In all seriousness, Emanuel is a mixed-bag- he has a rep for being aggressive, but tends, from what I can find, to look at everything in terms of what it will mean to the Dems in the next election, so he can also be very cautious- he waited months before agreeing to bringing the contempt charges against Miers and Bolton, for example. Mostly, it sounds like he prefers the Executive Branch to the Legislative one, so I imagine he's happy to make the change. So yeah, what miraja2 said.

I love The Colbert Report, too, miraja2, but really- can you blame Emanuel for telling the freshmen not to appear on it? Heh. I give him points for actually knowing what the show is. That bit with Westmoreland and the Ten Commandments was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

timmgirvan 11-06-2008 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
Hee hee. In all seriousness, Emanuel is a mixed-bag- he has a rep for being aggressive, but tends, from what I can find, to look at everything in terms of what it will mean to the Dems in the next election, so he can also be very cautious- he waited months before agreeing to bringing the contempt charges against Miers and Bolton, for example. Mostly, it sounds like he prefers the Executive Branch to the Legislative one, so I imagine he's happy to make the change. So yeah, what miraja2 said.

I love The Colbert Report, too, miraja2, but really- can you blame Emanuel for telling the freshmen not to appear on it? Heh. I give him points for actually knowing what the show is. That bit with Westmoreland and the Ten Commandments was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

I did miss your "tee hee";)

GenuineRisk 11-07-2008 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
I did miss your "tee hee";)

Awww... sorry, timm- I was addicted to balloon-juice.com for my political fix during the campaign and didn't check in on this board much.

There's a really interesting seven-part series on Newsweek's website this week about the campaigns. Very long, but well worth the read- it's called "Secrets of the 2008 Campaigns" or something like that.

Also, more on Emanuel, from Larison at American Conservative Magazine (yes, Timm, I do read both sides, as long as they're smart. :) )

http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008.../rahm-emanuel/

timmgirvan 11-07-2008 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
Awww... sorry, timm- I was addicted to balloon-juice.com for my political fix during the campaign and didn't check in on this board much.

There's a really interesting seven-part series on Newsweek's website this week about the campaigns. Very long, but well worth the read- it's called "Secrets of the 2008 Campaigns" or something like that.

Also, more on Emanuel, from Larison at American Conservative Magazine (yes, Timm, I do read both sides, as long as they're smart. :) )

http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2008.../rahm-emanuel/

Gratified to hear you do! I'll add this site to my list. I've even read Slate on occasion,just for you. I'll check out the Newsweek thingy, but I'n not expecting much. But thanks for the tip!


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