Says another who doesn't know Moss.

The Pats defense got worn out last year by trying to beat everyone big every game. They still answered the bell in the playoffs.

That was by far the best defense a Moss team has had - and with Cassell playing in a ball control Moss offense - the defense this year, old and all, will make them the most likely winner of every game.

The Pats offense will go off once they need to open it up.

I still can't tell whether or not this is all an elaborate act. If it is, bravo.

I was not looking at it from a purely "mosscentric" view. I was just thinking how much fun it would have been to watch an offense where you had to 2 of the top 10 athletes in the league playing QB and WR. It would have been something to see.

I don't understand what you are getting at.



Lots of records and no titles.

My point on the Raiders was it made no sense signing him...they needed more important things than a receiver. Your comment on their off. line kind of hints at that.

Back to the Randy Pats....16-0....and the champions of the league who beat them were 10-6 with no offensive records set.




And NO Moss.

I guess their stones rolled.

WhaaaaT?

Every time I read that, I see 'Lots of records and no titties'. Anyway..

Frerotte has completed 54.2 percent of his passes during his career for 19,134 yards and a 74.3 quarterback rating. He's 37-44-1 as a starter.

Now this is what ya call yer quality stuff right here.





Hand salute to you,sir.

DOUBLEPLUS snappy release.

Cool.

Here he is in the two games he started with Moss - and the only two games I've ever seen him play in as it is.

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/...2003-04-sf-min

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/...003-05-min-atl


And off he went to the bench when Duante came back to lead the team to 7 losses in the final 11 games. Losing shoot out after shoot out with dumb mistakes and game management.

Don't play stupid with me Mortimer.

The 1998 Vikings and the 2007 Patriots were clearly the two best offensive NFL teams I've ever seen in my lifetime.

In case anyone forgets - The 15-1 '98 Vikings were 13 point favorites in the NFC Championship game over the 14-2 Falcons.

In the greatest choke in the history of man kind - their field goal kicker, who had made 122 straight kicks, had a chance to ice the game and put them up by 10 with 2 minutes to go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8zx39b2Ny0


Painful as it is to watch - football is a team game. The Vikings defense gave up 500 yards on defense and their field goal kicker who had made 122 straight kicks missed a chip shot.

Randy Moss was not asked to play defense - and Randy Moss was not asked to kick field goals. That Viking team was something like a 3-to-10 favorite to win the Super Bowl at the start of the playoffs.

The 2nd biggest choke was what happened to the Patriots in last years Super Bowl. They had won previous Super Bowls because of a mix of Payton Manning chokes and cheating.

In order for Moss to have not won a Super Bowl so far - he needed two acts of God - a swiss cheese defense that couldn't stop anyone every year he was in Minny - and an offensive line in Oakland that I dare say was the worst collective group in the history of orginazed pro sports.

The defense in New England is there this year. The kicking game is there. Forget about Tom Brady - you can plug in a 7/11 worker to play qb - this is the year!

In a 52 man sport with offensive, defensive, and special team units - it would be idiotic to judge a player by rings won.

Moss is the greatest natural athlete I've ever seen. He's a natural athlete with a real human build in an era where guys like T.O. look like Robo Cop with these builds that defy nature.

Plus, he's twice been to jail before he ever played a snap of college football and he's from W Va - which is a combination that almost qualifys him for sainthood in my eyes.

Direct TV has this package called NFL Sunday Ticket.

It allows you to watch whatever games you wish to watch. They have had it atleast since '98.

Here is what is required for me to watch an NFL game with my undivied attention.

* Moss is playing

* The Ravens defense is playing and a Moss offense isn't playing at the same time on another channel.

* Neither Moss nor the Ravens defense is playing - but the outcome of the game will impact a playoff spot for Moss or the Ravens.

* It's a Super Bowl or confrence championship game I find hard not to watch. Such as the NE VS Indy games.


Other than that - nothing.

Glad to know my Mom is okay in your book:tro:

ring ring ring ring ring ring ring



Culpepper phone!

The Browns announce Phil Dawson as their new starting qb so as to improve the fake touchdown ploy.

I'm sure Moss, being the consumate team player, is loving catching 4 balls for 25 yards while his team gets their collective asses handed to them at home by a team that won one game last year.

LMAO @ Belichick the genius getting beaten by the direct snap for FOUR TOUCHDOWNS. Just makes Mangini and Schottenheimer look worse for being so unoriginal last week. Ronnie Brown is beating the Patriots by himself.

They will get that all straightened out.

This is merely a mild bump in the road.

Not active in DT fantasy fb this week for Scavs GPS. What a fcking disaster....

Hmmm.. Pretty sure they've played from behind nearly all game, and your love has 4 catches for 25 yards. Nice analysis.

The Fins....you can only hold them down so long.......

Losing to Miami at home is not a mild bump.

The Bills are getting beat at home by the Raiders.

The Pats defense isn't really this bad. And this will hopefully finally get their offense away from all repetitive 4 yards passes.

Nice game by Cassel.

Yes, they are. They're also not losing by 22 to a team that just got beaten 31-10 by Arizona.

What will? If they've been getting destroyed like this all game and still haven't adjusted, that's either a tremendous indictment of Cassel or of Belichick.

Or are you referring to the impending signing of Culpepper as the event that'll shake the offense up?

Another pick, luckily for Cassel the Dolphins managed to blow it with a penalty.

Pennington is 17-20
R Brown has 119 yds and a td pass

What happened to NE's defense?

....and was 1-15 last year....

Cassel isn't being asked to do much.

The Pats defense is getting murdered.

Just wanted to highlight this gem again.

Giants look anemic on offense
Bears about to finish off TB. Greise doing a great Rex grossman impression

They handily beat the Jets on the road last week - and have sleep walked as two touchdown favorites in a game before their bye week.

Have fun with this one all you want.

Good plan not asking Cassel to do much.

It isnt like he is good and they are missing their starting running back but i would think that the defense getting carved up by a pretty inept offense should be more troubling for NE.

Russell is 7 for 17 for 72 yards and Oakland is winning on the road. What the hell kind of game is that?