I dont think his 112 lb kick with a patent leather boot is the same as a 1200 lb horse kicking you bare chested.

I always wonder how someone charged with animal necrophilia pleads their case.

Guess they could have given him the same punishment they gave the horse since the incident...

ALostTexan

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butter side down like always.

Just the latest in a long series of steward hypocracies.

When was the last time we read of American stewards calling in a jock for failure to persevere?

When was the last time one was called in for excessive use of the whip?

When was the last time one was called in to review tape and explain his actions wrangling a horse back inappropriately?

Guys do this stuff on a DAILY BASIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY... Yet Victor Molina gets put on the ground for 30 days for a split second, anger-generated, loss of control? A guy who doesn't have a single transgression on his record in a 27 year career? Unbelievable. Priorities totally out of whack.

i agree.
when you first see the headline it sounds bad (it's not great)...but i think this is definitely overkill. have to wonder how much a jock can really injure a horse that's ten times his size anyway. it's not like he drop-kicked a puppy across the infield.

steve, I see your point and in general would agree that perhaps it is a bit of a harsh punishment. given his record I would think that a small fine and some days would be appropriate. 30 days does seem excessive.

And you also make good points that the steward review of other types of action is wanting.

However to me this incident is a bit different than a simple riding infraction. Those are close calls where you are walking a fine line between what is normal riding and what is inappropriate. There is room for misinterpretation or an explanation from the rider as to what happened.

Kicking a horse is not at all part of the sport and I think they had to do something to demonstrate to the public that this is totally out of bounds. He showed in that kick a total disregard and disrespect to the horse who was a young 2YO and just as paniced and frightened as he was.

we are try'in to run a business here victor!
 

he screwed up in front of the camera. He lost control of his emotions. There was no justification for his action. Did he hurt the horse? Hell no.
But when you risk the outrage 5000 fans (or 10,000? more?) because you can't control your emotions , then you really screwed up big time.
Had this happened in the barn in full view of the stewards and out of the PUBLIC eye, then there would have been no penalty whatsoever. Molina is a good guy.

im sure hes gotten days@some point for things that have happened during races atleast, if hes been riding that long and has never gotten days then he actually hasnt been riding LOL!

so, the difference between the usual $250 fine and his punishment is due to poor timing? that's ridiculous. he should appeal, and he should win. whether it's one witness or one thousand, the 'crime' remains the same. so should the punishment.

exactly. He did it in front of the fans. He did it in the public eye. To the consumers, that the industry is with some mild urgency, emitting such an onslaught of mediocrity to draw in, it was an ugly dispicable act. And that is all that really matters. "that kind of **** costs us money"

Just let the horse kick him back, and they are even.

Kicking a horse is not at all part of the sport and I think they had to do something to demonstrate to the public that this is totally out of bounds. He showed in that kick a total disregard and disrespect to the horse who was a young 2YO and just as paniced and frightened as he was.[/quote]

Kicking a horse in the belly may not be a part of the sport on T.V but it is on the backside , not that it happens everyday to every horse but I bet all race horses have got a boot to the belly at one time or another. Biting a horses ear in the starting gate isnt part of the sport either but after he tries to flip over and hurts the gate hand doing it , he will get his ear bit , or his tail bent upward or the eartongs put on .
I would say the thing that will stick out in this horses mind will be his fear of the gate or just his bad behaivor in it more than the jockey's boot to his belly, I bet if you put a starting a gate and a jockey in front of this horse he bolts from the gate not the jockey.
The guy didnt show professonialism by kicking the horse in the belly but I dont think 2000.00 dollars and 4 lost paychecks are fair either.

I like the ugly displays the public can show and get away with , like Ive had horses bleed and been pulling them up down the lane and had assholes from the grandstand yelling dispicable stuff at me and the horse , " like hey why dont you just send that horse to the glue factory" , Ive had gamblers throw stuff at me when I was walking back to the jocks room and have heard them yell that they wish the next horse I ride would break its legs off . So lets start kicking theses people out of the grandstand for dispicible acts of behavor on the spur of the moment and while they are walking them to the door they can give them their 1000.00 fine for not being better behaved.:rolleyes:

Kicking a horse in the belly may not be a part of the sport on T.V but it is on the backside , not that it happens everyday to every horse but I bet all race horses have got a boot to the belly at one time or another. Biting a horses ear in the starting gate isnt part of the sport either but after he tries to flip over and hurts the gate hand doing it , he will get his ear bit , or his tail bent upward or the eartongs put on .
I would say the thing that will stick out in this horses mind will be his fear of the gate or just his bad behaivor in it more than the jockey's boot to his belly, I bet if you put a starting a gate and a jockey in front of this horse he bolts from the gate not the jockey.
The guy didnt show professonialism by kicking the horse in the belly but I dont think 2000.00 dollars and 4 lost paychecks are fair either.[/quote]
I guess we're in agreement then because that is pretty much what I said.

Well said.

What about the guys like me that yell..."I LOVE YOU HONU!!":o

Ima smack you soooooo hard......

Promises...promises. Damn tease.:p

Originally Posted by Honu
Kicking a horse is not at all part of the sport and I think they had to do something to demonstrate to the public that this is totally out of bounds. He showed in that kick a total disregard and disrespect to the horse who was a young 2YO and just as paniced and frightened as he was.



This was not posted by me.

Next I guess you won't want to take credit for this moronic post either.

Maybe if you are lending your login to others, in this case a rider, you might want to reconsider.

Then how come it appeared under your name?

Evil Twin?

Honu, is this you?

Give me a break, Andy. :p

I'm just confused.

she quoted someone else, but it didn't post right in her message...you can see the end quotes, but i guess the beginning quote part wasn't in there, so it looked like she wrote it all.

Did she also, then, write that ridiculous post about throwing people out of the track?

I'm not condoning poor behavoir by fans, but there sure is a misguided approach by way too many people who work at the track about fans' rights, and who pays to put on the show. I read an article earlier this year that jockeys should read where Derek Jeter was quoted as saying, essentially, " I have never heard of a professional athlete telling the fans how to behave. "

It wasn't meant to be taken seriously. She was just trying to show how ridiculous the suspension is. 30 days is a bit overboard, don't you think?

well i guess she wrote that one. altho she might not think it's ridiculous!

personally, i don't act like an ass--but some choose to do so, and i'd imagine they think it's just fine--and probably funny. but you can't start tossing people out because they're idiots or say idiotic things.

i think it is. i don't think that the punishment should have been any different if it was only witnessed by one person. mob rule shouldn't apply--people called to complain, they should have said 'we're aware of the situation, and it will be handled accordingly'.

I agree. Right in the gut.

I'll let her tell me whether or not she was serious but you may be right.

Do I think the suspension was too severe? Probably. But I also think Eibar Coa getting 10 days a few months ago in NY for using a horse as a weapon in an attempt to injure another rider was downright insane. Certainly that was far worse than what Molina did.

oh come on, surely you aren't saying that coas ride deserves worse punishment than kicking a horse?! i mean come on, next you'll say that stewards aren't very consistent in their rulings! why, the nerve!:rolleyes:

I have issues.....what can I say.

If you look back on page 4 Bobby Fischer posted it , somehow in a acopy and paste it was acredited to me.

I think the punishment doesnt fit the crime. I have seen trainers yank on horses on the paddock when they wont stand still to get saddled which is where everyone can see them . I have seen trainers shank the ever loving crap out of horses when they are being unruly in the paddock and I have also seen them give a knee to the guts when they didnt think anyone saw it .
I have witnessed pony people poke horses in the eye and smack them in the head when they are on the way to the gate and the race horse is trying to mount their pony . Ive seen these things at **** hole tracks like Waterford park and the Great race place Santa Anita . The jock did something that wasnt right Ill agree but he doesnt deserve this harsh of a punishment and he sure as hell doesnt desereve to be kicked in the gut buy a 1000 lb animal. That is like saying someone should have hit your mom upside the head with a baseball bat when she spanked you for picking on your lil brother or sister.

hey!


No wasn't me either !:D
ArlJim78 is reponsible for this post which has caused us so much trouble and confusion (just kidding :D ) in post #87

http://derbytrail.com/forums/showpos...6&postcount=87

"Kicking a horse is not at all part of the sport and I think they had to do something to demonstrate to the public that this is ..."

boo Jim lol

well yeah it was my original post, looks like it when someone quoted it they messed up the quote notation so it appeared as regular text.

It was just fun to tease Andy about it.

I think trainers should be able to kick jockeys in the azz for a bad ride. And owners should be able to kick trainers in the **** for a bad training job.

:D

Be very, very quiet...I'm hunting wabbits.

"A phone call to track officials was not returned. Stewards have been told by the Pennsylvania Racing Commission never to comment about anything."

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/8179622.html