Don;t confuse him with facts Tbred!!!!! The guy is obviously trying to defend CD at any cost and knock down a guy who does constant interviews and accomodating of people. Funny, if baffert was known for stunts like this you'd think we would have heard of some by now. Belmont day he sure didnt seem to have a problem now did he? And to think that he shouldnt receive some recognition for actually winning the race 3 times is preposterous. he wasnt asking to break any laws, he was just saying hey these guys are with me, and if I'm in a postion to make teh call, I have to ask myself just how dangerous it could be to let two guys in who are in the personal escort of a guy who has won the race and is well known. My call is gonna be that they arent a threat whatsoever, they wouldnt be in the company of someone like that if they were.

I am not defending Churchill--again I have said that I dont agree, but I defending the rule (regardless how stupid it is). And again, the security guard prob is not in the position to make the call.

Well said Mike!
I am an owner (not at that level yet)...but anytime I've been in the paddock before a race, I'm thinking about so many other things besides "law enforcement".
Actually, the paddock is usually a prety quiet place. The horse knows he's about to run. Everything about it is to be calm. If it gets loud or crazy, the horse will just get agitated. Horses are very sensitive to stress.
Just imagine...coming out of a quiet stall, walking over, more and more yelling people, a few curcuits in the paddock, and then the stall for saddling...
Horses really DO see and hear everything that's going on around them.
It comes from being a "prey" species.
So, anything that can be done to keep them calm so they can run their best is important.
The last thing they need is an arrogant rent-a-cop yelling at people and being far more important than the situation at hand.
DTS

I have never seen anyone misbehaved in the paddock. But I just dont think the paddock needs to be filled with people. JMO.

Appreciate the honesty.

I never said the guard was wrong. CD was wrong. That includes the guard, all other employees in the paddock, and the entire management staff. CD as a whole.

Euro - Can you honestly tell me there was not a single CD employee in the paddock that day that couldn't recognize BOB BAFFERT?

If you want to defend ridiculous stupidity. Then continue.

lol. He was just talking about how great it was that they recognized Magnier and even though they recognized him they wouldn't let him in until he walked back and got his credentials. I found that sickening. If I were Magnier I would have bought the place just to fire the SOB who did that and then sold it the next day. Its not like he doesnt have the cash to do it!!!

I doesnt matter if the guard knew who he was or not. The guard did his job. He followed the rule that CDSI installed. Now I dont agree with the rule at all. But the guard did his job and Baffert acted like a kid. It is that simple.

I dont think I ever said how "GREAT" it was. I just told a story. I think it is laughable because it was on a non-racing day. Again, I dont agree with the policy but understand the person following the policy.

a little side note. i believe up until a few years ago there was never a fence around the paddock at Saratoga. fans could wander around anywhere in the paddock while the horses were being saddled. it got too crowded so they put up a fence.

a couple of years ago i was standing by the paddock fence and a fellow said he was the owner of a horse about to run in a steeplechase. him and his family were not allowed in the paddock because they were all wearing shorts. not allowed...his horse won the race.

What a New York track not letting someone in the paddock because they were wearing shorts? Now is this anyway to treat the owners of the horse?

They have their dress codes in Saratoga for the paddock and clubhouse.

Sumitas,
You know as well as I do that Saratoga is an entirely different planet...that's why it's so great. Sure, that paddock "fence" keeps you about ten feet away from the horses, and on the walking path, you're about, what, five feet away?
I know I was close enough to Point Given on his walk over to touch him if I wanted to.
Churchill sounds like a much more different situation, especially on a "big day".
DTS

The dress codes at Saratoga are well known and enforced. Gentlemen are to wear jackets in the box area and abbreviated wear is not allowed in the paddock. That goes for everyone and its well known.

That's it. Next year I'm going to the Derby and I'm gonna wear an "I'm With Bob" button.

"I'm with Bob"...LOL!!!
Post of the week!

Oh ok--I guess the credential pass is not a well known rule at Churchill. Again, Baffert is no stranger to Churchill he knew the rule and it was enforced. Just like the dress code rule at Saratoga.

You get pretty close to the horses at Churchill when they walk to the paddock. You are about 1 foot from the horse. The paddock then gets avergage size but you are about 15 feet from the horses.

I wil Bob button--classic

well, i read the article, and then just the first few posts, and it looks like i will be in the minority here.

security guards are there for a reason, and are there to do their job. you really expect every minimum wage paid guard out there knows every trainer by sight? (or every driver in nascar, since it was mentioned) you have to have credentials, get them. don't have them, don't pull your 'i'm so special, you're nothing' crap. that's ridiculous. it's one of my pet peeves, people who think rules apply to everyone else, but not themselves, because they're 'special'.

"don't you know who i am?"

sounds like maybe you're an *******!

i'd imagine that it's also well known that you have to have certain credentials to get into cd, with or without baffert.

this also reminds me of the story about the congresswoman who never wore her pin identifying her to the guards. when a guard tried to stop her, she want ballistic. she was completely in the wrong, as is baffert in this case--or as anyone is in any case when they try to throw their weight around even tho they know they are in the wrong.


don't you know who i am?!?! like that should matter. EVER.

Danzig,
Read the entire thread.
O was just saying that a trainer that has three horses in a race has his mind on other things than arrogant rent-a-cops.

Some people are getting this confused with their distaste for law enforcement. Its about the way you treat people that are doing their job. The automatic picture appears to be some guy with an authority complex that wants to tell people what to do gets in Bafferts way. A wannabe cop... That is not necessarily an accurate picture.

DTS.
When you are teaching and you get a code word to close the door to your room, you close the door to your room. You have been told that it might be an emergency, could be some idiot with a gun walking around, and your priority is the kids. So the fact that you follow this very sound simple rule does not make you an, "I just did what I was told Nazi". Thats silly.

So it is possible some guy is told Do Not let people in without the proper credentials. He does not know who they are, and he knows his job is to let only certain people in to avoid who knows what. People are making this into an out of control security guard thing... and it does not read that way.

Hell, my wife could make my house off limit to strangers by hiring a security guard and forget to give me "credentials" and I could be told do not enter. If I knew the guy was payed by my wife, and did not know me from Adam, I would not automatically accost him.

Blame the track or whoever else responsible for organizing credentials. Why blame the guy doing his job? I do not get the reasoning.
My take: Baffert did not show grace under pressure and he understands this.

Maybe I should stop now and follow Jonathan Swift's very accurate words:

Do not attempt to reason a man out of something he did not reason himself into.

i think you're using the word arrogant to define the wrong person. it's not the guards problem, other fans problems, or anyone elses problem except baffert that he had three horses in the race. he has assistants to handle credentials. i mean, does anyone really think ol bob handles that type of stuff himself?? oh yeah...sure. i bet he's completely hands on. doesn't delegate any of the dirty work to others...

and i read the entire thread after my initial post.

Pgardn and Danzig,
I'm letting this go. No need for me to put any more gasoline on the fire.
It's taken a whole lot of pages, some insightful, some not views.
To each his own. No need to beat a dead horse. Believe whatever you want.
DTS

I have been to Saratoga and failed to bring a jacket. They have them there for loan. I was there as a guest of a well known trainer. They did not give me any trouble. they just said wear this jacket to your seat and then feel free to leave it on your chair. Might not be the same reception everyone gets, but as soon as they knew who I was with they handled it witht he best customer service ever. The trainer wasn't even there. Just by name they knew how to handle it.

Also, fun story first time I ever had brunch on the porch at Saratoga we had to pay off the maitre'd. Even though we were with a name trainer. We were like what the heck? And so we watched, he would say there was no seats until someone discreetly slip him some cash. We watched his pocket bulge. Fun enough, if you were too open about it he would refuse it like you offered him crack. He got busted last summer or the summer before. I bet he was pulling 5k per day on the porch.

The way Bodi Miller skied in the olympics I wouldn't let him in even if he had a pass. Baffert knew he didn't have a snowball's chance in hell in the race and was just playing the roll. The guard should of pulled that white haired bitch to the ground and put a Rodney King whoppin on he butt. JUST KIDDING.

What the hell does Bode Miller need to be in the paddock for anyhow??? Some of you evidently don't realize how crowded that paddock gets at CD during Derby. CD trys to keep people out of it if that don't have horses in the Derby just to keep any potential accidents from happening. OWNERS, TRAINERS, JOCKEYS and THE HELP should be the only ones allowed in the paddock during Derby. CD is being nice for allowing owners friends in. If they would allow every trainer to do what Baffert wanted to do, there would be no room to saddle the horses. Ever see a horse take out of crowd of people, because they were too busy flapping their gums, not paying attention to where the horses are? It's an ugly sight. Ever handle a horse in a crowded paddock, having to holler at "owners friends" to please get out of the way so you won't run them over because they are too stupid and have no horse sense? It's not fun. Most of these people that don't belong in the paddock have no horse sense and are potential accidents waiting to happen. CD has every right to apply "crowd control" in the paddock. BTW, Belmonts paddock can handle 3 times the amount of people that the CD paddock can, maybe that's why they are so lieniant. CD has every right to try to keep Derby day ridng smooth without any accidents due to dumb ass people who want to be the paddock just so they can say "I was in the paddock during the Derby". Security was doing their job, Baffert WAS embarrassed, which is why he turned into a jackass.

baffert
 

If I Have To See One More Video And Bob Baffert And His Precious Bodie..i Will Puke! He Parades Around Like A Guy With A Danny O Day Puppet. Nobody Cares About Your Precious Bodie, Just Your Horses Bob.

Onebadbeast,
You must be drinking.
If you take sides against a trainer that is concerned about three horses that are about to run...well, you missed your brain.
Yeah, yeah, yeah...
Put a bright shiney badge on a rent-a-cop...
POOOF!
All of a sudden...he's the one that's important...after all, he's running the show!
FEEL THE POWER!!!!!!

I'm sure that Miller had been drinking and had no business in the paddock. Baffert was out of line and I think he needs to have some anger management training.

You all obviously ignored my post on how some law enforcement officers can be. I am right. If anything, I can say that I know what I am talking about in this department. I am not saying that this is what happened in this particular situation, but it could of been. Of course the media ONLY made Baffert look bad because heaven forbid, they should make ex-cops look bad. You can't trust the media. There is a lot more to this story than the media released.

Baffert is loved by Louisville Police. Ever since Pegram named Captain Steve after the policeman that saved him at the airport for carrying a gun, the Louisville police and Baffert have been tight. Sounds like the entire thing was blown out of proportion.

there's bad in every line of work, ky. and of course you wouldn't be the least biased on this particular subject, right? because you had a bad experience, i suppose everyone has or will....
prisons are filled with the innocent, just go ask them. all of them.

How in the hell do you know that there is a lot more to this story? Were you there?

Are you the same girl who had a boyfriend or fiance' that rammed a police car or something?

No, I am not biased. I have just seen both sides. The bad side and the good side. I didn't know about the bad side because I was once ignorant like you obviously are. I pretended that these things don't go on. I didn't want to acknowledge the flaws in our justice systems or in the government. Now, I can't pretend, and I am much more open-minded about these particular situations. Most people that are in prisons are guilty, but not every single last one of them is. Like I said, there are two sides to every story...

Yes, but it was not as it seemed at first. It is not nearly as bad or a big deal as I originally thought it was going to be. The other side lied in court to cover though. However, their lies have been found out, and the real trial is not going to be pretty for the other party involved either. A whole lot of things went on in the other party that shouldn't have gone on. I was appaulled by the officer's actions when I saw the tape. It was disgusting to watch. The officer's actions shocked the conscious. It was like...okay...who messed up worse?

I also would appreciate it if no one brought this up again. I never should have posted it on the internet. It was my mistake, and was way too personal. Besides, I have put it behind me. It is over and done with and the only thing left for me to do is to learn from it. If anything else, it was a good lesson to learn at such a young age because it opened my eyes. I now know that not everything is as it seems. I wouldn't take what happened to us back for anything because it made me a hell of a lot stronger person. However, I have revealed a lot about your character in that you have to attack me in order to make it seem as if your arguement is valid when, in reality, none of us will ever know what actually really happened in Baffert's situation. Believe what you want to believe.

Also, this is exactly how I would know how the "REAL" world of law enforcement works. I don't dislike most police officers at all. They definitely have their place in society, and I thank them for their work. We must have them. My father used to be one. However, just like in any profession, their are some bad apples. And the media always covers up what the officers did wrong mainly because the officers are the ones that are always telling the story to the media. Like I said, this may or may not be the case with Baffert. We will never know what really happened, or if what the media says is the whole truth. I have gotten to where I don't believe anything the media says now in dealing with things like this.

Haha, I assure you that calling me ignorant for asking how you were "sure" that there was more to this story is an improper response.

Just because you feel that you are so "in the know" about the world of law-enforcement, doesn't mean that you know any more about this particular situation than was included in the media releases.

You made this statement. "There is a lot more to this story than the media released."

My question was, "How in the hell do you know that there is more to this story? Were you there?"

Your response is that I am ignorant?

You obviously weren't there, and your assumption that the security was obviously in the wrong is due to your biased view and not to the facts of what happened on that day.

If it comes out that the security guards were totally in the wrong, etc... Then so be it.

But you can't make a blanket statement that you are "sure" of something just because you had some bad experience with law-enforcement. If you are the same person that made all of the posts about the car-ramming incident at the other board, then it all makes sense now.

Those posts about the car-ramming were whining in its highest form.

I messed up my post. Sorry.

Do you guys realize how few policeman at a local level have college educations? State police tend to be educated more often than not and once you get to a federal level they are all educated well. But local yokel barney Fifes are about as bright as a 5 watt bulb.

I did not say that the security guards were definitely in the wrong. I just say that they too MAY have been in the wrong. There is a big difference. Go back and read my posts more carefully. We will never know because none of us were actually there and the media quite often gets these things wrong.